Bots- AI

[REAPER]

Could we please get more intuitive AI. I have seen AI team mates in 90's games with more direction and ability. A turnip would be more use.

Got to the boss on Reliquary and the sniper bot literally looking at the helldrake when its ready to be shot and never fired a round.
He might as well not have been there. Boosting them 30% is still 30% of nothing = nothing

[☸𝕵𝖔☸]

yeah solo is more a challenge then a fun experience right now, we have asked devs improvements and made suggestions already, we,ll see if they expand on bots behaviour and customisation in the future, not holding my breath though.

[zmanbuilder]

From what the devs have said, they do not want bots to out shine player allies, but there should be a balance imo.

[Szataniel]

bots should be on minimal level preferred by choosen difficulty, got some perks and don't be morons.

[AonGreyFox]

Dev fear from the bottom of their health that bot can challenge Emperor himself. So they make it useless. They can help you up to ..... substantial I think?

But you need to do 80% of the work and 100% on each boss...

TBH, I really believe dev play on different server that have different setting for bot to perform something out of ordinary like "ABLE TO DAMAGE BOSS" to have that kind of patch exist in the first place.

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

Requested since day one, but mostly ignored by the developers :-/

[revswindler]

Don't even get me started on the bots. It's clear the assault bot had a TBI even without the cybernetics, because I have seen him run up to an enemy like he is going to bash it with his thunder hammer, stop, and then start shooting from point blank (and missing too). It's a regular thing with him. Apparently he spends too much time in the Reclusiam studying the Imperial Creed and the Litanies, and too little time training how to actually do his job.

Everytime I play inferno and hear Decimus say, "I wonder how many I could cut down before they got me," all I can think is, "None, because you would go out of your way to slowly run up to each Minoris that is 30 meters away without firing your carbine once, so you can melee it for a minute straight."

On a tier list, the only bots who even reach B-tier would be Heavy and Sniper, and only because they actually shoot their weapons and don't act like the operation is some form of Duathlon event that consists of only sprinting to enemies and then meleeing. And Bulwark gets to C because, of all the bots, he also actually shoots somewhat reliably and can kill Minoris (though don't ask him to shoot a Terminus or Extremis enemy, not happening, he has to get his wind sprints in then stand around gawking if the enemy is in the air). Tactical varies, sometimes he remembers he has an auto-bolt rifle for 3 seconds every encounter, but most times he thinks he is in a competition with Decimus to see who can unsuccessfully melee the most enemies; and auspex is only something that gets used on a single Majoris and 2 Minoris, once every 5 operations.

I get the developers don't want the Bots to be able to win the Operations for players. That's fair. But, you know, it would be nice if all the bots could be relied upon to actually help keep Minoris under control, or occasionally interrupt a reinforcement when the bots are the only ones with line of sight.

[Husbando]

+1000 and select-able classes

[The Spirit of Jazz]

They're infuriating. They are like this by design though. The enemy AI knows how to use the tools that it has, be it ranged or melee or a mix of the two. The melee AI will swarm you, the ranged AI will back away and hose you from range until you close them down. They fight effectively, according to their strengths.

The friendly AI on the other hand are as dumb as rocks. I've been stood in control zones, getting hammered from range as the bots just stand next to me and do nothing. Literally just standing there, meaning that I now have to leave the control zone to deal with the threat. I'm playing Assault, the bots are Sniper and Heavy, yet I have to go and deal with the ranged threat. Of course, this means that the control zone is now "empty", so progress is stalled.

This is beyond frustrating. Improve them or remove them because they might as well not be there and the fact that they are so utterly crap is just an annoyance and has a significant negative impact on the solo experience.

[Lutz2]

They are useless, especially on higher difficulty starting on Substantial you will notice this immediatly. Its pointless to play solo on these difficulties, you always get overran at some point, because the Bots do no damage at all.

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

The funniest thing about it is the developers' explanation of why they made the bots this way (don't take the word "made" too seriously here)...

They say they “made” them this way so they wouldn’t steal the show from the player. Now ask yourself what happens if there are no bots, but two other more or less experienced players. These players don't steal the show, they work with me to defeat the hordes of hundreds of enemies. That's exactly what the bots should do, instead of just standing there and looking at the sky.

I'm pretty sure Saber was just too lazy to balance the bots properly and continues to refuse to do so after this cheap excuse...


Welcome to Space Marine 2 GOTY 2024 xD

[Chaos]

You wish lol.
Saber just can't make good AI man I tell you.

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

Originally posted by Chaos:

You wish lol.
Saber just can't make good AI man I tell you.

Well ok to be fair i guess its not so easy to make good game ai. But i remember Sniper Elite 1 ai chasing you around multiple building blocks and that was on PS2 back then xD

I guess there are a few tutorials and inspiration around by now, something like this ...

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/darktide-101-enemy-design-and-prototyping-dev-blog/98452

Thats actually pretty interesting ...

Im sure some of these things can be used on friendly ai like the SM2 bots aswell ;-)

[Voldo]

Its properly on purpose, so you play with other players and dont get carried from the AI to the best rewards. Just a thought.

Kind of sad that people keep complaing. Even if the AI is involved in the highest diffucilty, most of the time the Bulwark is more useful then the average player.

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

Originally posted by Voldo:

Its properly on purpose, so you play with other players and dont get carried from the AI to the best rewards. Just a thought.

Kind of sad that people keep complaing. Even if the AI is involved in the highest diffucilty, most of the time the Bulwark is more useful then the average player.

Your post reminds me a bit of the "Stockholm Syndrom" thing somehow (no offense) ...

The majority of players has asked for the bot AI to be improved since day one and therefore there is no point in leaving it in this poor state, there is no valid excuse for it, period !!!

[Apothecary Michael]

I have seen players worse than the bots... so well there is no reason for not using them.
In Solo they are more or less the dude that can you ressurect once. Thats their job. Makes some Maps insane doing Solo the job of three players. But well i would be happy if they would priotize Zoanthropes and not the miniros a mile away. At least Sniper and Heavy as bots can kill one on Ruthless. But first there must be all other targets dead.