Combat Roll?! Why not a hop/dodge instead? Do Space Marines really roll in combat?

[Label07]

Title.

If there is one thing I would want changed after watching the various channels game play it's the combat roll.
It just doesn't fit and looks a little silly IMO.

[Label07]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ace of Swords:

I can see you haven't played the first game, you should do that right now.

Not for what they're selling it for... Made a thread on its discussions a while ago about how ludicrous it is to try to sell it for $70 because of the SM2 hype. A game that is 11 years old (or so).

[The_Dipl0mat]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Label07:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ace of Swords:

I can see you haven't played the first game, you should do that right now.

Not for what they're selling it for... Made a thread on its discussions a while ago about how ludicrous it is to try to sell it for $70 because of the SM2 hype. A game that is 11 years old (or so).

Eugh, yeah I don't like it either. I hate when games add extra polish or some ♥♥♥♥ to their game and then use it as an excuse to sell it for the price of a new game.

[Hairy Pothead]

It was given away free on steam a couple of years back iirc.

[Erhes]

The thing is that most of Space Marines dont wear HEAVY power armor but JUST a power armor. I know those armors looks big and heavy, but the thing with POWER armor is the fact that they enhance strenght and agility of its wearer, not decrease.

[suboptimal]

Yeah it's really dumb looking and immersion breaking. Typical video-game trope that really doesn't fit at all honestly. A simple non-roll dodge movement would look immensely better.

Yes, dodge roll was in the first. That game was great but the dodge rolling looked ridiculous there too.

[Sikres]

Diposting pertama kali oleh The One True Git:

Pretty sure its canon lore that "Nothing that large should move like that".

nop.

[Coldhands]

Diposting pertama kali oleh suboptimal:

Yeah it's really dumb looking and immersion breaking. Typical video-game trope that really doesn't fit at all honestly. A simple non-roll dodge movement would look immensely better.

Yes, dodge roll was in the first. That game was great but the dodge rolling looked ridiculous there too.

It's in keeping with the lore though. In the novels, Space Marines love rolling around.

[suboptimal]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Coldhands:

Diposting pertama kali oleh suboptimal:

Yeah it's really dumb looking and immersion breaking. Typical video-game trope that really doesn't fit at all honestly. A simple non-roll dodge movement would look immensely better.

Yes, dodge roll was in the first. That game was great but the dodge rolling looked ridiculous there too.

It's in keeping with the lore though. In the novels, Space Marines love rolling around.

It looks really dumb in action. As it always does in video games when heavily armoured people often with backpacks and huge weapons are rolling around like ♥♥♥♥♥ chimps in a circus act. It's a very word-out video game trope form earlier eras that I would like to see more devs move away from.

A simple non-roll dodge would look better and more appropriate for the size and armour of the space marines. Hell even a compromise of a non-roll dodge on press and longer dodge-roll on hold or double press, that covers more ground but also has more vulnerability in the longer animation, would be better. So the default action is to sidestep/dodge quickly, then use the longer roll for a bigger reposition at risk of getting hit during the longer animation.

Lore isn't always adhered to when it doesn't fit gameplay. SM bolters in the game are not lore accurate afaik. They fit the gameplay balance necessary but in effect they're more akin to the scaled down bolters regular humans use, or even standard heavy ballistic weapons.

[Erhes]

Tell me you are not Warhammer 40k fan without telling me you are not Warhammer fan.

Imagine that guy reading any Space Marine book where they do insane acrobatic ♥♥♥♥ in full armor without any problem.

Lore is always adhered to do in gameplay because fans wants lore accurate gameplay.

[Coldhands]

Diposting pertama kali oleh suboptimal:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Coldhands:

It's in keeping with the lore though. In the novels, Space Marines love rolling around.

It looks really dumb in action.

I would argue that some elements looking really dumb in action is also in keeping with the lore of 40k. : p

[suboptimal]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Nekrin de Nekrinius:

Tell me you are not Warhammer 40k fan without telling me you are not Warhammer fan.

Imagine that guy reading any Space Marine book where they do insane acrobatic ♥♥♥♥ in full armor without any problem.

Lore is always adhered to do in gameplay because fans wants lore accurate gameplay.

Afaik SM bolters are not lore accurate in this game. So if so, apply your first sentence to yourself.

[suboptimal]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Coldhands:

Diposting pertama kali oleh suboptimal:

It looks really dumb in action.

I would argue that some elements looking really dumb in action is also in keeping with the lore of 40k. : p

Sure. But this was easily fixable. Some other action games have abandoned the dodge-rolling silliness. Others do a compromise as I described. Either is superior.

[Gollum]

someone hasnt played games that require skill yet

[The_Dipl0mat]

I enjoy how they compromised and you do both

[Shogun]

how do you even spam combat roll? if i spam space key he does a little hop first then he rolls.