It was "woke" after all

[590hrs wasted on this game]

>not my post

"I had my worries based on Saber's public commitment to ESG. After playing through the leak, I'm afraid to report that my fears weren't at all unfounded...
To address the elephant in the room, there are no female space marines physically present anywhere in the game. However, there is ample discussion of them, and it seems like GW is using the game's narrative to open the door to the possibility of women Astartes in the future.
Those of you who finished SM1 know about Inquisitor Drogan's Power Source, which is once again the focus of the plot. Spoiling as little of the sequel as possible, the Ultramarines covet the device for its potential to "open the hidden second gateway of Astartes ascension." Chaos wants the Power Source for the same reason, as whoever controls it also doubles their pool of potential space marine recruits (need I explain further?).

Aside from the above you have your bog standard elements of wokeness found in any game released in the past 5 years. Some highlights are:
• Racial demographics of helmetless Ultramarines match those of San Francisco in 2024.
• All the IG officers and commissars you meet are female.
• On the hive world, you can find a couple dataslate entries (same as servo-skulls from the first game) about two gay lovers who were separated during the Tyranid invasion.
• On the jungle planet, Titus and co. discuss how the AdMech's exploitation of natural resources has devastated the local ecosystem, which somehow kickstarted the initial Tyranid invasion.
• In the central hub, you can find two battle brothers embracing each other while crying. Titus reacts to this with some bs like "showing weakness is the greatest strength."
• A rando guardsman calls the Imperium "fascist" and "regressive" when explaining why Imperial citizens fall to Chaos in front of Titus and 2 other marines. They let him keep his life and later remark on the truthfulness of his words.
Hopefully y'all can make more informed decisions given this info."

[Moonlight Knight]

Originally posted by Chapter Master Tarik:

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

I actually knew about that, but that always struck me as hilarious because personally if I ate something as sensorily deprived as corn flakes as JHK iterated them I feel like I'd need to masturbate more just to feel anything at all.

You gotta fight those demonic urges! Have some more Corn Flakes.

Listen, the best way to fight those urges (if that's important to you) is to redirect that energy towards charity or something.

[Mister Magician]

Originally posted by gigapsycho:

>not my post

"I had my worries based on Saber's public commitment to ESG. After playing through the leak, I'm afraid to report that my fears weren't at all unfounded...
To address the elephant in the room, there are no female space marines physically present anywhere in the game. However, there is ample discussion of them, and it seems like GW is using the game's narrative to open the door to the possibility of women Astartes in the future.
Those of you who finished SM1 know about Inquisitor Drogan's Power Source, which is once again the focus of the plot. Spoiling as little of the sequel as possible, the Ultramarines covet the device for its potential to "open the hidden second gateway of Astartes ascension." Chaos wants the Power Source for the same reason, as whoever controls it also doubles their pool of potential space marine recruits (need I explain further?).

Aside from the above you have your bog standard elements of wokeness found in any game released in the past 5 years. Some highlights are:
• Racial demographics of helmetless Ultramarines match those of San Francisco in 2024.
• All the IG officers and commissars you meet are female.
• On the hive world, you can find a couple dataslate entries (same as servo-skulls from the first game) about two gay lovers who were separated during the Tyranid invasion.
• On the jungle planet, Titus and co. discuss how the AdMech's exploitation of natural resources has devastated the local ecosystem, which somehow kickstarted the initial Tyranid invasion.
• In the central hub, you can find two battle brothers embracing each other while crying. Titus reacts to this with some bs like "showing weakness is the greatest strength."
• A rando guardsman calls the Imperium "fascist" and "regressive" when explaining why Imperial citizens fall to Chaos in front of Titus and 2 other marines. They let him keep his life and later remark on the truthfulness of his words.
Hopefully y'all can make more informed decisions given this info."

While it is possible this is in the game, I cannot confirm it.

The demographics one is a bit off, because there ARE two black space marines in the game (one in your ops squad and one in your story squad), but the rest are either "white" or helmeted.

IG commander is female, but you only even hear from here in two missions (she does make a non-speaking cameo in the penultimate battle).

The single Commisar you see executing deserters is male.

I found exactly two dataslates in the entire game and I really tried looking everywhere. The first is so inaudible over static, it's impossible to hear. The second is an inquisitor pointing out that the leaders of Averax were so interested in decadence and palace intrigue that they didn't care enough to see that half the underbelly was full of genestealer and chaos cults.

I don't recall Damocles squad (your fire team's name) ever saying that. They do not like the Mechanicus for obvious reasons, but they never mention that.

Never once saw space marines cry, nor would that be allowed as Primaris marines have an extra gene-seed organ that regulates emotion that Firstborn don't have.

Never saw the last one, but you get called "Angel" a lot.

[MRTurnips]

Kellogg's ideologies mentioned in a non-ironic way

when I think I've seen everything they surprise me again

Wow, these guys know how to improve themselves day by day.

[Mister Magician]

Originally posted by Iratus Machina:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Gotta love how it's always gay sex is Slaanesh. I wonder what else constitutes it?
Regular sex with no pregnancy? Masturbation? Just not having sex at all?

I mean, you could always fight the Slaaneshi temptations by pouring yourself a hearty bowl of Kellogg's Corn Flakes first thing every morning.

Yes, that is indeed why John Harvey Kellogg invented corn flakes; so we could keep those nasty, filthy Slaaneshi urges away: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/32042/corn-flakes-were-invented-part-anti-masturbation-crusade

all sexual sin kills the soul outright and causes the person to become not only immensely violent, but also causes sociopath/psychopath behavior, as well as makes the person incapable of Love.

This has been studied head to toe even by your own religion.

Kellogg was trying to save the world via his own belief system that believed unhealthy diet caused most evil behavior.

Kellogg was right that unhealthy diet does lead to spiritual maladies (the entire past 100 years is Definitive proof of that), but spiritual problems cannot be solved by food once they already occur.

[Mister Magician]

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

Originally posted by Iratus Machina:

I mean, you could always fight the Slaaneshi temptations by pouring yourself a hearty bowl of Kellogg's Corn Flakes first thing every morning.

Yes, that is indeed why John Harvey Kellogg invented corn flakes; so we could keep those nasty, filthy Slaaneshi urges away: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/32042/corn-flakes-were-invented-part-anti-masturbation-crusade

I actually knew about that, but that always struck me as hilarious because personally if I ate something as sensorily deprived as corn flakes as JHK iterated them I feel like I'd need to masturbate more just to feel anything at all.

considering what you do removes all feeling altogether, and therefore having to seek stranger nightmares to wake yourself up from your numbness (which will only drive you deeper), no.

Or as Chesterton would say:

"The fury with which people search after pleasure proves they do not have it."

"Do not be proud of the fact that your grandmother was shocked at something which you are accustomed to seeing or hearing without being shocked. There are two meanings of the word “nervous”; and it is not even a physical superiority to be actually without nerves. It may mean that your grandmother was an extremely lively and vital animal; and that you are a paralytic."

"For what we do at least know, in the most fundamental fashion, is that man is man by the possession of these fastidious fancies; from which the freethinking haddock is entirely emancipated, and by which the latitudinarian turnip is never troubled. To lose the sense of repugnance from one thing, or regard for another, is exactly so far as it goes to relapse into the vegetation or to return to the dust. But for about fifty or sixty years nearly all our culture and controversial trend has been conducted on the assumption that, as long as we could get used to any sort of caddishness, we could be perfectly contented in being cads. I do not say that all the results of the process have been wrong. But I do say that the test of the process has been wrong from first to last; for it is not a case against the citizen that a man can grow accustomed to being either a savage or a slave."

"There comes a time in the routine of an ordered civilization when the man is tired at playing at mythology and pretending that a tree is a maiden or that the moon made love to a man. The effect of this staleness is the same everywhere; it is seen in all drug-taking and dram-drinking and every form of the tendency to increase the dose. Men seek stranger sins or more startling obscenities as stimulants to their jaded sense. They seek after mad eastern religions for the same reason. They try to stab their nerves to life, if it were with the knives of the priests of baal. They are walking in their sleep and try to wake themselves up with nightmares."

"I know exactly what the man in the average magazine story would do. I can almost give you his exact words. In that case Fitzgorgon, on first catching a glimpse of the crowds of swaying spectres in the moon, will almost inevitably say: "But this is the twentieth century!"

In itself, of course, the remark is simply meaningless. It is far more meaningless than making the sign of the cross could ever be; for to that even its enemies attach some sort of meaning. But to answer a ghost by saying, "This is the twentieth century," is in itself quite unmeaning; like seeing somebody commit a murder and then saying, "But this is the second Tuesday in August!" Nevertheless, the magazine writer who for the thousandth time puts these words into the magazine story, has an intention in this illogical phrase. He is really depending upon two dogmas; neither of which he dares to question and neither of which he is able to state. The dogmas are: first, that humanity is perpetually and permanently improving through the process of time; and, second, that improvement consists in a greater and greater indifference or incredulity about the miraculous. Neither of these two statements can be proved. And it goes without saying that the man who uses them cannot prove them, for he cannot even state them. In so far as they are at all in the order of things that can be proved, they are things that can be disproved. For certainly there have been historical periods of relapse and retrogression; and there certainly are highly organised and scientific civilizations very much excited about the super-natural; as people are about Spiritualism to-day. But anyhow, those two dogmas must be accepted on authority as absolutely true before there is any sense whatever in Gorlias Fitzgorgon saying, "But this is the twentieth century." The phrase depends on the philosophy; and the philosophy is put into the story.

Yet nobody says the magazine story is propagandist. Nobody says it is preaching that philosophy because it contains that phrase. We do not say that the writer has dragged in his progressive party politics. We do not say that he is going out of his way to turn the short story into a novel with a purpose. He does not feel as if he were going out of his way; his way lies straight through the haunted wood, as does the other; and he only makes Gorlias say what seems to him a sensible thing to say; as I make him do what seems to me a sensible thing to do. We are both artists in the same sense; we are both propagandists in the same sense and non-propagandists in the same sense. The only difference is that I can defend my dogma and he cannot even define his."

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Mister Magician:

Originally posted by Iratus Machina:

I mean, you could always fight the Slaaneshi temptations by pouring yourself a hearty bowl of Kellogg's Corn Flakes first thing every morning.

Yes, that is indeed why John Harvey Kellogg invented corn flakes; so we could keep those nasty, filthy Slaaneshi urges away: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/32042/corn-flakes-were-invented-part-anti-masturbation-crusade

all sexual sin kills the soul outright and causes the person to become not only immensely violent, but also causes sociopath/psychopath behavior, as well as makes the person incapable of Love.

This has been studied head to toe even by your own religion.

Kellogg was trying to save the world via his own belief system that believed unhealthy diet caused most evil behavior.

Kellogg was right that unhealthy diet does lead to spiritual maladies (the entire past 100 years is Definitive proof of that), but spiritual problems cannot be solved by food once they already occur.

It's true, they can tell from personal narrative

[MRTurnips]

Jesus Christ, no one is going to read your insipid, unnecessarily large and extremely dilutive arguments, especially when we already know that you are basically talking about Scientology in cereal instead of space.

Kellogg's cerealology.

[Mister Magician]

Originally posted by MRTurnips:

Kellogg's ideologies mentioned in a non-ironic way

when I think I've seen everything they surprise me again

Wow, these guys know how to improve themselves day by day.

The genestealer cult you have formed in the forum here is a bit mistaken. The "woke" rumors are not True (or if they are you REALLY have to go looking for them, because I saw none of it).

The game is not "woke" that I could tell. In fact, since the ultimate message is one of Faithfulness, Redemption, And Duty you'll be as disappointed in this game as you are with Real Life.

this will not provide you escapism where you, or moonlight, or diplomat get to pretend your beliefs are actually real. In fact it will probably offend you greatly (but I'm not so naive as to not be aware of your inherent hypocrisies nor the parasitic nature you have to what you destroy).

[Mister Magician]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by Mister Magician:

all sexual sin kills the soul outright and causes the person to become not only immensely violent, but also causes sociopath/psychopath behavior, as well as makes the person incapable of Love.

This has been studied head to toe even by your own religion.

Kellogg was trying to save the world via his own belief system that believed unhealthy diet caused most evil behavior.

Kellogg was right that unhealthy diet does lead to spiritual maladies (the entire past 100 years is Definitive proof of that), but spiritual problems cannot be solved by food once they already occur.

It's true, they can tell from personal narrative

In your panic to shield your ego, you forgot to make a coherent message.

Are you claiming iratus and the rest of your genestealer cult already know from personal experience? That would be self-awareness and honesty you are not normally capable of. you accidentally told the Truth in your panic to try to project on Us.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Mister Magician:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

It's true, they can tell from personal narrative

In your panic to shield your ego, you forgot to make a coherent message.

Are you claiming iratus and the rest of your genestealer cult already know from personal experience? That would be self-awareness and honesty you are not normally capable of. you accidentally told the Truth in your panic to try to project on Us.

"It's true" refers to your message being true "they can tell from personal narrative" refers to how you have lived an experience where committing a sexual sin has made you into a highly violent individual with sociopathic/psychopathic behavior whilst being incapable of love. Y'know what a personal narrative is, right?

[Iratus Machina]

Wait, you're all taking my corn flakes satire seriously? I mean, yes, the article I posted is true, but I was trying to mention it in jest. Whatever the case, I suppose there's no other way I can go from here.

https://youtu.be/ODUJT4ry-ps?si=ifmOlyuwLnHwo9hf

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Iratus Machina:

Wait, you're all taking my corn flakes satire seriously? I mean, yes, the article I posted is true, but I was trying to mention it in jest. Whatever the case, I suppose there's no other way I can go from here.

https://youtu.be/ODUJT4ry-ps?si=ifmOlyuwLnHwo9hf

Nah, I figured it was a silly

[Mister Magician]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by Mister Magician:

In your panic to shield your ego, you forgot to make a coherent message.

Are you claiming iratus and the rest of your genestealer cult already know from personal experience? That would be self-awareness and honesty you are not normally capable of. you accidentally told the Truth in your panic to try to project on Us.

"It's true" refers to your message being true "they can tell from personal narrative" refers to how you have lived an experience where committing a sexual sin has made you into a highly violent individual with sociopathic/psychopathic behavior whilst being incapable of love. Y'know what a personal narrative is, right?

You were DIRECTLY replying to me and said "they." The english language dictates that you are talking about either iratus or Kellogg, and iratus is one of you and what you said doesn't apply to Kellogg so it has to be iratus.

If you wanted to attack me personally by satanic inversion and despair, you could have said "you."

So, again, in your panic to shield your ego, you forgot to make a coherent message.

you are claiming iratus and the rest of your genestealer cult already know from personal experience. A freudian slip based on panic and being caught off guard.

Humorous.

your curses are Returned.

that of your genestealer cult too.

[MRTurnips]

Originally posted by Iratus Machina:

Wait, you're all taking my corn flakes satire seriously? I mean, yes, the article I posted is true, but I was trying to mention it in jest. Whatever the case, I suppose there's no other way I can go from here.

My brain still hurts after trying to read Kellogg's apology.

Don't try jokes that require cultural, historical or social knowledge against a certain demographic group, the jokes fly over their heads and the most absurd and delusional things are real to them.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Mister Magician:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

"It's true" refers to your message being true "they can tell from personal narrative" refers to how you have lived an experience where committing a sexual sin has made you into a highly violent individual with sociopathic/psychopathic behavior whilst being incapable of love. Y'know what a personal narrative is, right?

You were DIRECTLY replying to me and said "they." The english language dictates that you are talking about either iratus or Kellogg, and iratus is one of you and what you said doesn't apply to Kellogg so it has to be iratus.

If you wanted to attack me personally by satanic inversion and despair, you could have said "you."

So, again, in your panic to shield your ego, you forgot to make a coherent message.

you are claiming iratus and the rest of your genestealer cult already know from personal experience. A freudian slip based on panic and being caught off guard.

Humorous.

your curses are Returned.

that of your genestealer cult too.

The modern english language has accepted they as referring to individuals. As just like people, language adapts with the times :)