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Most people don't cry 'woke' simply because there are women, gay people or people of color. They typically complain when these things are injected to push a narrative and they detract from the setting or story. (ie. making a movie and casting a black guy as Abraham Lincoln)
The Sisters of Battle existed well before 'woke' was a thing and are considered one of the most awesome things in Warhammer. Nobody cares that there are bad-assed women in the setting.
People, however, would care if they decided to make the Emperor a trans with the pronouns xe/xer. Just as people would be upset if they decided to show hundreds of females leading the Normandy Beach landing.
While yes, the Warhammer setting certainly has Sisters of Battle, it’s highly unlikely they’ll be making an appearance in this game, and even more unlikely they’ll be playable characters.
1) It wouldn’t surprise me if game studios requires a separate license to include Sisters of Battle.
2) Including Sisters if Battle would require a ton of additional development time. The devs would need to rebalance how a smaller character plays, it would double the amount of player cosmetics and animations required, and a new chaos-equivalent smaller character would need to be created for the VS mode, introducing even more work. o_O
lol, it would be a lot simpler to have female player-characters in this game if GW hadn’t decided all marines were exclusively male 40 years ago, but here we are. :P
People straight out of collage thinking they know more than any person to have lived before them....
Now woke means a lot more things.
Some of the dumbest claims I´ve heard from these woke folks (mostly Americans) is in regard of foreign language.
Like that one girl, who claimed Montenegro (which means Black Mountain) is a racist slur just because it sounds bad for her.
Or how the japanese word for run, "Nigero" was deemed racist for the same reason
The people pushing the anti-"woke" narrative are 100% upset at representation of minorities or women. It has nothing to do with "overrepresentation" (no such thing) nor anything "lore-breaking". These are excuses invented by the influencers/grifters pushing these garbage narratives to cover up their naked bigotry and get people like you to come to bat for them.
No lore is being broken, no one is being over-represented. That is not what is happening. What is happening is that attention is being given to characters that are not cishet white men. Absolutely no one would sincerely care about this if it weren't for opportunistic Twitch streamers and YouTubers targeting the insecurities of cishet white men and pushing them to believe in hateful conspiracy theories.
You being lied to and scammed and you are spreading misinformation in the process. Nobody wants to turn the Emperor trans. Nobody wants to female soldiers on the beaches of Normandy. These things aren't happening, nobody wants them to happen. It's propaganda - made up, fictional, complete nonsense fabricated by people who are stoking hate to make money.
Stop pushing this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for ♥♥♥♥♥' sake. This anti-woke crusade is the only thing bringing the culture war into media. The only thing women and minorities want is to be represented in media with respect and dignity. That is the *only* thing we ask and it is 100% what the anti-woke grifters are targeting. This is just another case of the Far-Right trying to disguise their hateful rhetoric with something seemingly benign or reasonable because they know they can't convince you to support them otherwise.
The trends speak for themselves: anything with a prominent character that isn't explicitly a cishet white man is targeted as being "woke"; it's all ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lies. Stop spreading these lies.
I don’t know whether to outright laugh, roll my eyes or just have pity on you that you view the world this way.
As an individual, you don’t get to tell other people what their motivations are - especially when you assign the worst ones possible - and you don’t have the power to read minds.
Tossing around insults and ad hominems doesn’t make you more correct - it makes you look entirely biased to the point of clownishness.
I assure you, as someone fed up with the constant pandering and narrative pushing by the people you seem to support, I do not care who the focus is on - so long as the story is being served.
Further, I don’t think anyone in this thread has used the term “overrepresented” except you. But since you bring it up - it’s telling that the average American thinks the percentage of homosexuals in this country is ~25% when that number is closer to 7-8%. This is because it’s pervasive and being pushed into everything purely to tick a box.
I think MOST people don’t really care but when it actually detracts from the story or doesn’t add to the story - then it’s just detrimental.
Take the Fallout show - there wasn’t any real contingent upset that the main characters were a black guy and a woman. Heck, I never even heard anyone bemoan the trans person in the Brotherhood of Steel. However, there was a loud complaint that there wasn’t any “gay representation”. Why?! Who cares? It doesnt serve the story.
Again, I think the evidence shows people don’t care that characters aren’t ’cis white’ - as many shows/medias/movies have no complaints. (Ie. Nobody really had anything to say about Finn and the biggest complaint was he was underused meanwhile many people railed against Rey because she had no character progression).
How about not telling me what I’m thinking, believing or saying.
You’ve done nothing to prove what I’ve said is ‘misinformation’ other than throwing out negative words and saying you disagree.
And if you read what I said in the context of what I was saying - I never said anyone wanted to do this.
I said these would be examples of things that people would be upset about.
(Side note: I have heard several people make the claim that the Emperor is actually trans)
Yawn.
You do love buzzwords.
Except that’s not actually true.
There are PLENTY of examples of characters that aren’t ‘cishet white men’ that are revered - in both modern and earlier media.
What has happened is that people like you have pushed the envelope so long and so far - and when met with any resistance you do what you’ve done here and used derogatory labels and insults to invalidate arguments - and now people are bucking anything and everything.
You’ve pushed it to the point that people are jumping at ghosts.
Take this game - since that is what these posts should be about - people are clamoring to complain because a ‘leftist’ was one of the writers. That, in and of itself, means nothing. There is no evidence it will make the story ‘woke’ but it’s being force fed to us so much and so often that people are instantly turned off by any smoke … even if there isn’t a fire.
Anyways, there is gay love in the warhammer universe. Just like everywhere else. It's part of the universe. Get over it.
I don't think any number of real people cares if there is gay love in WH40k. I think the issue would be when they try to centralize a story around it for no reason whatsoever.
The number of people that actually are bigots and are disgusted by it are probably pretty low. However, the number of people that are sick of the constant pandering so that they can get some specil social checkmark is huge.
So of course, there is no reason to keep the "lore lid" on AIRTIGHT on something that can reach a bigger audience. Video/computer games are not like table top games. At all. They are much more immediate and take a much larger investment of time, money and man/womanpower to develop.
To believe that something like a game can ONLY be successful if it stays, in ANY way, "exclusive" is not to have understood how this form of entertainment makes money.
To want NON-woke games made by studios comprised of a, always, international team, sometimes hundreds of people, is so beyond dettached from the art that it is just hilarious how anyone is trying to kamehameha it into existance.
You have to understand how activists think, we can see a picture of a puppy and think it looks cute, but the activist will sit and ponder what political message that puppy is pushing.
Except that’s not how it usually works. A rabid fan base builds up support, hype and interest.
If you upset the fan base by going well off script - they will bring the property down. Even if it is a solid movie/game. Their opinions and constant frustrations tend to destroy a franchise.
Plus - it’s just easier to stay true to the lore and setting than venturing off.
I can’t think of a single property made better by modern interpretations.
True, the fanbase is essentially a free marketing team that would otherwise cost billions of dollars as they love to recommend the thing they love to people.
I was thinking about this for multigenerational franchises the other day, often it is the parents who are fans and want to get their kids invested in the thing they like so they can share in it. That has to be like absolute pure gold to a company, parents turning their kids into the next generation of life long fans is like wow, insanely insaaaanely valuable.
I attribute the growing fan apathy to starwars amongst parents as part of why starwars has fallen off with gen Z and A, they aren't being brought in like that anymore.