Female Space Marines

[Gunslinger]

I'm a guy. Personally I will be playing as a male space marine. I want to coop through the campaign with my girlfriend however and she prefers to play as female characters. After learning about the new female custodes I was wondering if there's any chance we will get the option to have a female space marine. Maybe a DLC option in the future?

[Eidrog]

+1 to not liking the latest Star Wars, Marvel, Witcher, Dr. Who, Indiana Jones etc.

I think a lot of weight is put on 'female characters ruined these franchises' - but frankly, you could swap any of the female leads out with male leads and the writing would still be just as awful. But because there's a link with bad story telling and female leads there seems to be a modern perception of female characters = bad, which is a shame. : /

[Moonlight Knight]

Absolutely, I used to be a huge fan of Doctor Who, but I stopped watching about midway into Matt Smith's Doctor. The writing quality had already took a huge nosedive by then, so anyone who thought it started turning bad when the lady doctor, which was a thing that everyone always knew could happen, happened didn't actually understand Doctor Who very well imo.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

Absolutely, I used to be a huge fan of Doctor Who, but I stopped watching about midway into Matt Smith's Doctor. The writing quality had already took a huge nosedive by then, so anyone who thought it started turning bad when the lady doctor, which was a thing that everyone always knew could happen, happened didn't actually understand Doctor Who very well imo.

All I remember was hearing if you don't like Lady Who you're a bigot

[MasterBlaster]

Originally posted by NaRf:

The thing is they have always tried to pander to their perceived audience, now that is becoming wider and it has become an issue for some, it seems.

To me, the only real issue is that the occurrence & timing of it is too coincidental with BR buying into GW, given the former's open declaration to "force behaviors" (quote). GW doing its own thing with its IP is 1 thing, but BR shoving DEI politics across the board in everything it has an ownership stake in is the problem.

[zmanbuilder]

People are not against female protagonists, just poorly written ones, people loved terminator
and alien, both staring powerful women. now we have reached a point that when someone sees a female lead, they will assume she is a poorly written mary sue.

And if you point out that the new show, movie, or game is bad, and the mc is poorly written you will be called a sexist.

Personally i see nothing wrong with having space marines be all male, i know there are women in the hobby whom also have no issue with it. So i ask, why change it?

[Silhouette]

Originally posted by zmanbuilder:

Why change it?

Well, the whole point of this thread is the OP's girlfriend expressed interest in wanting to play as a female character.

And with GW's current lore, they've kinda kiboshed the existence of female Space Marines, o_o

And while yes, one can argue Saber could introduce Sisters of Battle or Custodes to allow female characters, realistically that would add a ton of extra development time. It's not going to happen.

So ultimately, because GW decided girls can't be space marines 40 years ago, girls don't get to play as female marines today. o_O

lol, they'll have to suffice playing as a man with a lady's voice over the voice chat. XD

Edit:
Please don't get me wrong, 40 years ago it made perfect sense as a business decision for all Space Marines to be male. Their were limitations with how GW distributed the models. I just don't think it makes any business-sense today.

lol, and again, I believe reasonable minds can differ on this. :)

[noblewarriorsf]

It's crazy how GW adds female custodes but it's like ppl forget that the battle sisters or sisters of silence exist.

[zmanbuilder]

Originally posted by noblewarriorsf:

It's crazy how GW adds female custodes but it's like ppl forget that the battle sisters or sisters of silence exist.

Looking forward to playing as a brother of silence. (sarcasm)

[Silhouette]

lol, and if there were a demand for "Brothers of Silence" or "Misters of Battle" I'm sure we'd be hearing about it. XD

But there isn't. :P

Space Marines are the main protagonist faction in Warhammer 40K, they're the team the majority of the marketing/stories are focused around. I don't think it's unusual that there's a demand for female marines.

Do I think we'll get them any time soon? No.
Do I think we'll get them eventually? Again, it wouldn't surprise me.

But that's up to GW, lol, all we can do is speculate and share our thoughts.

[Moonlight Knight]

Originally posted by noblewarriorsf:

It's crazy how GW adds female custodes but it's like ppl forget that the battle sisters or sisters of silence exist.

Neither of those factions are really comparable, either in community popularity or in representation in GW's own models and codexes. Not to mention, the Sisters of Silence are quite a bit different from Custodes, to the extent that you could have male Sisters of Silence and female Custodes and the two factions would still be noticeably different.

[zmanbuilder]

Originally posted by Silhouette:

lol, and if there were a demand for "Brothers of Silence" or "Misters of Battle" I'm sure we'd be hearing about it. XD

But there isn't. :P

Space Marines are the main protagonist faction in Warhammer 40K, they're the team the majority of the marketing is focused around. I don't think it's unusual that there's a demand for female marines.

Do I think we'll get them any time soon? No.
Do I think we'll get them eventually? Again, it wouldn't surprise me.

Indeed, it seems like women always want into the male spaces, but men do not want into female spaces.

[Eidrog]

Nobody has forgotten about the Sisters of Battle or Sisters of Silence.

They're just not analogous to Space Marines or Custodians.

One group are elite faithful humans in form-fitting corset armor (That either are or aren't a psychic blank depending which Sisterhood you're talking about.)

And the other group are towering gene-enhanced monstrosities armoured like walking tanks.

They're not really the same thing.

If someone wants to be a 'Brother of Silence' they can be a Culexus Assassin - in form fitting armor. ;)

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Eidrog:

Nobody has forgotten about the Sisters of Battle or Sisters of Silence.

They're just not analogous to Space Marines or Custodians.

One group are elite faithful humans in form-fitting corset armor (That either are or aren't a psychic blank depending which Sisterhood you're talking about.)

And the other group are towering gene-enhanced monstrosities armoured like walking tanks.

They're not really the same thing.

If someone wants to be a 'Brother of Silence' they can be a Culexus Assassin - in form fitting armor. ;)

Yeah, like they're all unique seperate factions which vary wildly in how they play and look. But, being or not being women is not the keynote of their aesthetic. So if you add men or women respectively. It doesn't really change all that much from the factions aside from I guess Misters of Battle being a bit flatter?

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Typharius:

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

Assuming you're being serious, OP, I wouldn't hold my breath for anything about lady space marines. Unlike with the Custodes switch, there's an actual lore reason there are none, which means it'd be a lot harder for GW to go back on it.

I personally wouldn't mind if lady space marines were added but I can live without it.

If you wouldn't mind that then you clearly have no idea or love for the lore of 40k and should stay away from it. What sense or logic is there in the Emperor considering women, a physiologically inferior sex in terms of physical prowess - in every single measurable way, for his 0.00000001% elite super soldiers, where every single element from genetic makeup, to physical viability, mentality, everything down to the molecule was planned, conceptualised, and created by the Emperor? The only answer for why he would do something this stupid, would be (LOL) inclusivity, which if you knew anything at all about 40k is utterly meaningless in its universe. This goes DOUBLE for the Custodes, those empowered with the duty of defending the master of mankind. There is NO lore justification for female Astartes or Custodes.

Lore justification: At some point during human evolution up to 30k, the sexes became roughly equal and have the same physical averages. This is due to either natural evolution or gene modification during the Golden Age

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Typharius:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Lore justification: At some point during human evolution up to 30k, the sexes became roughly equal and have the same physical averages. This is due to either natural evolution or gene modification during the Golden Age

No justification, established lore has shown no deviance of human females, and evolution takes millions of years. Read a biology book. That would have to be a really thick retcon, envisioned by a moron. There is no in universe, or indeed real world justification to rebuke what I said in that comment.

The ability to process milk only cropped up around 5000 years ago. As such, it's not a hard stretch to imagine evolution just making the sexes equal. Especially in a universe full of space magic, gods, a technological renaissance that had black holes used as common weapons, a literal retcon gun, and so much more. Thinking humans from 30/40k are the exact same as ours today is silly