How to fix the 'female astartes dilemma'

[Mr_Puddins]

One of the Primarchs should have been female. In this way ALL the politics can be averted and cannon 40k science maintained.

edit: why would a female Primarch make people mad? I've been a fan for 20+ years. A female Primarch wouldn't make me mad. If one of the Lost Primarchs/Legions came out to be female I think it would be cool. And this is a purely innocent non-political sentiment.. Though, keep in mind I love AoS and 'New Nurgle'... xD

[Mr_Puddins]

WastingSanity a écrit :

NobleWarriorofLightandTruth a écrit :

Well there's a difference between an actual female 40k fan who just thinks it would be cool to play as a female SM and then some bitter man'hating woman or femboy man that has no interest in the actual game making demands.

For female players who just think it would be cool to be a female SM I'm all for that. But these 'false sense of nobility and twisted chivalry' crusaders coming in here and throwing chairs and tables around and bringing their warmongering and culture war coup... no.. just no..

For me the lore of the IP comes first and foremost. It is narcissistic to expect to directly relate with a fictional universe on the level that you as the fan desire. Not all universes support that. That would be like a religious person having their religion in a universe that does not have it or support it. Should Christians demand that the emperor be acknowledged by GW as the second coming of Jesus? An extremely powerful and godlike human who has a military detachment of battle nuns. That is very plausible.

Maybe they should shoehorn all the world's religions into 40k? Have a chapter of Space Marines for each religion? Of course they shouldn't do that... just like they shouldn't destroy foundational lore that establishes the Custodes and the Space Marines.

Here is a sentiment I can understand. You're saying like the 'slippery slope' dilemma basically. Like - yea lets have a Muslim Chapter to appease the Muslims fans, a Chapter for every letter in the lgbtq+200-genders-and-counting, a flag for every color and creed until the lore is so bloated with Forced Inclusion and Factional Diversity it no longer reflects a fantasy universe but is merely a mirror of the true conflict waiting to emerge here in the real world - full on civil war where all the polarists finally get the blood and glory they've always envisioned.

This is where it will all lead eventually. Multi-culturalism is a failure. America was always an experiment. What's crazy is that Fascism is inevitable - as the police state increasingly militarizes and assumes more power in the name of the fiction of 'public safety'. It's like the Occult Philosophical symbol of 'The Machine'. Ever seen that old silent black and white film Metropolis? What a beautiful movie. The Space Marines are these transhuman warriors - the World/Universal police sent to "unite" and "protect" all humanity... Yet look what happens to everyone who isn't an agent of the Imperium? If they aren't part of the Aristocracy or the war machine they become part of the Surf class. Just like how the American legal system produces a Surf class - this is most evident here in Florida.

I kinda had an epiphany when I read your post. Kinda just saw the past present and future all at once.. allegorical, prophetical, fictional and literal nightmares merge into a single reality. No I'm not high... I'm just an observer of times...

You know, I realized some time ago that the story of the Space Marines - The Horus Heresy is actually a Tragedy. When I first got into WH I thought it was so cool. And it is.. to that childish mind it is. But the horrifying exaggerated reality of the Imperium is really not so far fetched at all. Of course, it's all well and good for those who can afford their relative Amasec... but for those of us who have seen behind the curtain.. there is only madness and pain.. btw.. I am Alpharious..

[Def]

If you like AoS then your taste is already suspect.

[Bray of Cats]

WastingSanity a écrit :

NobleWarriorofLightandTruth a écrit :

Well there's a difference between an actual female 40k fan who just thinks it would be cool to play as a female SM and then some bitter man'hating woman or femboy man that has no interest in the actual game making demands.

For female players who just think it would be cool to be a female SM I'm all for that. But these 'false sense of nobility and twisted chivalry' crusaders coming in here and throwing chairs and tables around and bringing their warmongering and culture war coup... no.. just no..

For me the lore of the IP comes first and foremost. It is narcissistic to expect to directly relate with a fictional universe on the level that you as the fan desire. Not all universes support that. That would be like a religious person having their religion in a universe that does not have it or support it. Should Christians demand that the emperor be acknowledged by GW as the second coming of Jesus? An extremely powerful and godlike human who has a military detachment of battle nuns. That is very plausible.

Maybe they should shoehorn all the world's religions into 40k? Have a chapter of Space Marines for each religion? Of course they shouldn't do that... just like they shouldn't destroy foundational lore that establishes the Custodes and the Space Marines.

You mean a Catheric revival? https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Catheric

[Bray of Cats]

My true belief about Femarines is I don't mind if it happens or not, as long as it is done well, and something interesting comes from it.
I am sure I will get called a ''activist tourist'' for this anyway by Nurgle cultists....

[Bumpy Operator]

There is no dilemma, never was. It was introduced to stir up the community.

[m99noble]

NobleWarriorofLightandTruth a écrit :

iron a écrit :

I support anyone from any demographic or political leaning or 'gender identity' making up their own headcanon for their own enjoyment of 40k. It's a universe that is perfect for headcanon stuff. The more effort somebody puts into it, the cooler it tends to be, even if I don't particularly like whatever inspired them to make it. Kitbashing, painting and all of that comes with an inherent amount of effort, perseverance, skill even, and it gets you props in my book.

But GW just shoving identity politics via retcon and saying 'its always been this way' to decades-long fans is lame as ♥♥♥♥.

One thing I always appreciated about Gamesworkshop was their encouragement of players to create their own army/Chapter, even encouraging the player to develop their own backstory and lore. Gamesworkshop has also always been very encouraging of model conversions openly encouraging the player to personalize their army. So I'm with you on this - from the angle of personalization because you love the game. But for polarist agendas? No... Do what you do because you are inspired by love. Feel me?

what if people are really in love with politicizing their hobbies with an agenda though?

[Bray of Cats]

m99noble a écrit :

NobleWarriorofLightandTruth a écrit :

One thing I always appreciated about Gamesworkshop was their encouragement of players to create their own army/Chapter, even encouraging the player to develop their own backstory and lore. Gamesworkshop has also always been very encouraging of model conversions openly encouraging the player to personalize their army. So I'm with you on this - from the angle of personalization because you love the game. But for polarist agendas? No... Do what you do because you are inspired by love. Feel me?

what if people are really in love with politicizing their hobbies with an agenda though?

Like the anti-woke agenda? No that's not real apparently.

[wokecensorshipdoesntwork]

Bray of Cats (Pron in Bio) a écrit :

m99noble a écrit :

what if people are really in love with politicizing their hobbies with an agenda though?

Like the anti-woke agenda? No that's not real apparently.

You're confused again. It's the woke who pretend their agenda isn't real. The anti-woke don't need to resort to dishonesty; our agenda is to destroy your agenda. Plainly, openly, directly.

[Bray of Cats]

wokecensorshipdoesntwork a écrit :

Bray of Cats (Pron in Bio) a écrit :

Like the anti-woke agenda? No that's not real apparently.

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Can you stop leave me alone please? I get you are out of touch, but don't take it out on me.

[wokecensorshipdoesntwork]

Bray of Cats (Pron in Bio) a écrit :

wokecensorshipdoesntwork a écrit :

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Can you stop leave me alone please? I get you are out of touch, but don't take it out on me.

Now you know how this entire forum has felt while you use it like a blog for the past few days.

[Chaos Marine]

Bray of Cats (Pron in Bio) a écrit :

m99noble a écrit :

what if people are really in love with politicizing their hobbies with an agenda though?

Like the anti-woke agenda? No that's not real apparently.

You see, this is a blatant lie. The anti-woke people want the setting as is, as in no modern politics, just the politics of the setting within the setting. This is a perfectly normal and completely understandable request. Considering the destruction caused to hobbies with the insertion of of modern politics, even the normies are seeing and resenting it. Look at the recent Dr. Who. Lowest view count. Show leads telling the audience to not watch it, that for every bigot that doesn't watch it, five progs will take their place. Except it's not happening.

[Bray of Cats]

wokecensorshipdoesntwork a écrit :

Bray of Cats (Pron in Bio) a écrit :

Can you stop leave me alone please? I get you are out of touch, but don't take it out on me.

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I have been here for months playing with the virtue signallers here.

[Bray of Cats]

Chaos Marine a écrit :

Bray of Cats (Pron in Bio) a écrit :

Like the anti-woke agenda? No that's not real apparently.

You see, this is a blatant lie. The anti-woke people want the setting as is, as in no modern politics, just the politics of the setting within the setting. This is a perfectly normal and completely understandable request. Considering the destruction caused to hobbies with the insertion of of modern politics, even the normies are seeing and resenting it. Look at the recent Dr. Who. Lowest view count. Show leads telling the audience to not watch it, that for every bigot that doesn't watch it, five progs will take their place. Except it's not happening.

The last part was the lie then?
From what I have seen a lot of ''normies'' see that the anti-woke activist movement as preach and annoying. You mean the BBC stat dropped after Disney got the rest of the world distribution rights?

[wokecensorshipdoesntwork]

Bray of Cats (Pron in Bio) a écrit :

Chaos Marine a écrit :

You see, this is a blatant lie. The anti-woke people want the setting as is, as in no modern politics, just the politics of the setting within the setting. This is a perfectly normal and completely understandable request. Considering the destruction caused to hobbies with the insertion of of modern politics, even the normies are seeing and resenting it. Look at the recent Dr. Who. Lowest view count. Show leads telling the audience to not watch it, that for every bigot that doesn't watch it, five progs will take their place. Except it's not happening.

The last part was the lie then?
From what I have seen a lot of ''normies'' see that the anti-woke activist movement as preach and annoying. You mean the BBC stat dropped after Disney got the rest of the world distribution rights?

You've not been outside your online echo chamber bubble in years. Normies absolutely despise the woke, if you went outside and met some you'd know that.

Lol @ trying to fluff the Dr. Who stats though. For somebody who claims to not actually be woke, you sure are invested in woke things.

[Bray of Cats]

wokecensorshipdoesntwork a écrit :

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I know that anti-woke people are taught to think they are the majority.

Doctor Who wise people just show the BBC stat, when the BBC had all the rights and the fall is the BBC losing the worldwide audience, that is ofc left out. You would need to add the Disney and BBC stats to get the real and useful number.