Adeptus Sororitas

[Mr_Puddins]

The reason there are no female Astartes is because they have their own branches within the Imperium forces. Female Astartes would make Adeptus Sororitas obsolete effectively. Besides that, there is an element of gender roles, more or less. Very few people find it a cool idea to have females featuring giantism with massive hands and feet. I know the real lore-heads know that Astartes aren't just taller with more muscle, they have 'giantism' - means their hands, head, and feet (and general anatomy) isn't just larger, it's an entirely different set of body proportions.

I don't understand all the anti-Sororitas hate speech personally. I think Sisters of Silence are an awesome idea. They have something unique. An entire army of female psychic pariahs.. Astartes don't have that... So why do so many folks want to take away the uniqueness of Sororitas? Not to mention warping the entire lore just to fit their fetish or political agenda... I know lots of far left extremists would love to add female Astartes just for the very reason of warping the lore and upsetting folks. What kind of reason is that? To not even want something for yourself but to want it merely because it will hurt someone else? That sounds like a psychological sickness to me.

So, I personally stand with keeping the Adeptus Sororitas unique instead of destroying them for some hate based purely political agenda.

#saveSororitas

Edit: for any moderate Lefists out there plz don't take my satire as "hate".

Edit: as follows/

In the same manner many Warhammer Fantasy fans do not respect AoS as cannon it is a perfectly relevant stance to say that Female Astartes are not cannon either.

Just because some political hack gets hired for the sole purpose of corrupting the game/lore with politics that doesn't mean anything.

Now there are various changes that have been debated in 40k such as "new Nurgle" and Primaris SM. I myself am a huge fan of New Nurgle, which would be very evident if you saw how I painted my Maggotkin army. However, I'm not into the Primaris concept. However, these changes represent a shift in that state of progress - a new iteration - designed to move the game forward. Furthermore, these changes do not reflect the creeping in of hyper-political agendas.

The issue here is the corruption of the game by warping the cannon and setting with Post Modern politics. The imagery of the Imperium has always been a satirical shot at the gross disturbia of all-consuming industries and religious fanaticism (secular or otherwise...). Various other metaphors exist in the game relevant to other socio-economic issues such as the Orks being associated with the Irish or black people (I'm sure most folks here know what the Irish are referred to as in Europe...). One could also associate various other races with various other themes: the Tyrannids or Skaven with Islam. The Eldar with Thule.

UNDERSTAND THIS... I am not personally making these associations. It is well known for example that HP Lovecraft was a racial/cultural purist and very likely an outright racist. His own lore reflected his disdain for inter-racial intermingling. Racist ideologies and ideologies that beleive in Ethic/Cultural purity are a thing in our world... It's just part of reality. In the Occult - Antipathy - is an accepted principle of Nature. That is to say that Racism is effectively natural. I personally am not racist but I accept that Antipathy is a perfectly natural instinctual response for those - who on a base primal level - experience fear when they encounter things different from themselves. I personally do not experience fear when I encounter difference. Personally, I experience awe and curiosity.. even sek'shoe'all attraction... because that too is an Instinctual Primal Drive on behalf of the Continuity of Species. That is to say, it is just as important to protect the purity of Ethnicity and Culture as it is to occasionally mix them - this, to promote the gene-pool and creativity.

So, to reiterate - Many of the worlds most beloved authors and such have often been very nasty people.. or otherwise those who have imperfect or dastardly qualities. Ever heard the quote, "Never meet your heros."? And it is natural for their ideology and life experience to manifest in their art. Does this mean we need to purge or bastardize their art? It is the flaw in a gemstone which gives it it's unique and brilliant colors... I think people who's minds exist on an ascended level of Macrocosmic Perception can accept and consider the times and the then generally-accepted-cultural-knowledge-and-perspective.

So do I agree with adapting cannon in the name of continuity of the game and story? Yes. But to serve the polarist whims of hate filled cultural/political activists? No.

[Chaos Marine]

Originally posted by Bray of Cats (Pron in Bio):

Originally posted by Chaos Marine:

I want 40K to be limited by the limits of 40K. If you remove those limits, what's to stop changes from going out of control? There is nothing. Once you start changing the fundamental lore of the setting nothing else is off the table and then it all becomes meaningless.

So we agree, great.

No, we don't. You want 40K to be butchered and turned into a flesh suit to push your politics. I want 40K to be 40K.

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by Chaos Marine:

I want 40K to be limited by the limits of 40K. If you remove those limits, what's to stop changes from going out of control? There is nothing. Once you start changing the fundamental lore of the setting nothing else is off the table and then it all becomes meaningless.


I can't deny that space marines, as the poster child of 40K are the main draw because they're giant supermen in power armour with chainsaw swords and fully automatic RPGs. The thing is though, after that, you can see the other cool stuff on offer like the Necrons, the Ork, the Eldar etc.

Final Liberation, a game about the Epic scale game, and Chaos Gate (You can find them on GoG) were the first two 40K PC games I owned as a kid, I didn't really get the chance to collect armies till I had a proper full time job as an older teenager to afford them (and even then...).


This is an utterly specious argument. That's like saying alligators and cats are the same thing because they have four legs and a tail. It's a barely superficial comparison at most.

Two things, the "foundational lore" of 40k gets changed fairly frequently. From Leman Russ just being an Imperial Commander to being a Primarch, to Primaris Space Marines, to Horus just being regular dead, to the squats being a nearly dead/extinct race to actually being around en masse as a new faction disconnected from the Imperium

And as for the poster boys. That's why women in the Astartes would be ever more likely. Just due to being the poster boys, the ones everyone looks at.
As you said yes, there are other factions people will focus on. But even with that, Space Marines are the bought the most. They get the most material. The most models. While I think it's fine to have women with or without them, I can def see why people would want it done in canon beyond just mere headcanon

I'd be somewhat unhappy if they pulled a custodes retcon here, as there's actually lore that flat out states it. But I wouldn't leave the hobby. But a Primarch as a woman, like someone else said? Or like I've said, with a tech priest modifying some seed and "by the Omnissiah, this wasn't supposed to work" shenanigans

No, the fundamentals don't get changed that much. You're trying to use a first/second edition thing when the game was in it's prototyping stages to what was bolted down in third edition and onwards as if it's some kind of gotcha. It's not. Something that was in the alpha or beta stages of development not carrying over to the finished product is not a retcon.

Sisters of Battle exist. No need for female space marines. There will only ever be female sisters of battle, male primarchs, space marines and custodes. Modern 40K have political hacks like Mike Brooks trying to slide his politics into the lore just leaves his work as non-canon. The left doesn't get to use identity politics for the last decade to bludgeon their way into every space don't get to turn around and suddenly claim that such isn't political anymore.

Modern 40K is ♥♥♥♥♥ yes, a lot of people who can't keep their politics out of their professional lives is a lot more apparent. That's not a defence of anything from the modern garbage you mentioned.

The notion of the Mechanicus actually trying to change a process when rigid stagnation is one of their core pillars is absolutely wild to me. It's why Cawl is a heretek and the primaris marines aren't space marines, they're abominations against the lore. That you'd even make that suggestion shows that you're a tourist and nothing you say can be taken at face value.

[Bray of Cats]

Originally posted by Chaos Marine:

Originally posted by Bray of Cats (Pron in Bio):

So we agree, great.

No, we don't. You want 40K to be butchered and turned into a flesh suit to push your politics. I want 40K to be 40K.

Do I now?
Pretty sure I said if they do Femarines, I want it done well.
Do you disagree with this?

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Chaos Marine:

Originally posted by Bray of Cats (Pron in Bio):

So we agree, great.

No, we don't. You want 40K to be butchered and turned into a flesh suit to push your politics. I want 40K to be 40K.

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Two things, the "foundational lore" of 40k gets changed fairly frequently. From Leman Russ just being an Imperial Commander to being a Primarch, to Primaris Space Marines, to Horus just being regular dead, to the squats being a nearly dead/extinct race to actually being around en masse as a new faction disconnected from the Imperium

And as for the poster boys. That's why women in the Astartes would be ever more likely. Just due to being the poster boys, the ones everyone looks at.
As you said yes, there are other factions people will focus on. But even with that, Space Marines are the bought the most. They get the most material. The most models. While I think it's fine to have women with or without them, I can def see why people would want it done in canon beyond just mere headcanon

I'd be somewhat unhappy if they pulled a custodes retcon here, as there's actually lore that flat out states it. But I wouldn't leave the hobby. But a Primarch as a woman, like someone else said? Or like I've said, with a tech priest modifying some seed and "by the Omnissiah, this wasn't supposed to work" shenanigans

No, the fundamentals don't get changed that much. You're trying to use a first/second edition thing when the game was in it's prototyping stages to what was bolted down in third edition and onwards as if it's some kind of gotcha. It's not. Something that was in the alpha or beta stages of development not carrying over to the finished product is not a retcon.

Sisters of Battle exist. No need for female space marines. There will only ever be female sisters of battle, male primarchs, space marines and custodes. Modern 40K have political hacks like Mike Brooks trying to slide his politics into the lore just leaves his work as non-canon. The left doesn't get to use identity politics for the last decade to bludgeon their way into every space don't get to turn around and suddenly claim that such isn't political anymore.

Modern 40K is ♥♥♥♥♥ yes, a lot of people who can't keep their politics out of their professional lives is a lot more apparent. That's not a defence of anything from the modern garbage you mentioned.

The notion of the Mechanicus actually trying to change a process when rigid stagnation is one of their core pillars is absolutely wild to me. It's why Cawl is a heretek and the primaris marines aren't space marines, they're abominations against the lore. That you'd even make that suggestion shows that you're a tourist and nothing you say can be taken at face value.

The only thing I used from the OG is Leman Russ, the other two examples were done in the last two years

And ah I see, you're one of those folks who declare others are tourists for banal reasons. Damn, guess I really am a tourist then
Suppose I'll have to throw away my armies :(

[Ralin]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by Chaos Marine:

No, we don't. You want 40K to be butchered and turned into a flesh suit to push your politics. I want 40K to be 40K.



No, the fundamentals don't get changed that much. You're trying to use a first/second edition thing when the game was in it's prototyping stages to what was bolted down in third edition and onwards as if it's some kind of gotcha. It's not. Something that was in the alpha or beta stages of development not carrying over to the finished product is not a retcon.

Sisters of Battle exist. No need for female space marines. There will only ever be female sisters of battle, male primarchs, space marines and custodes. Modern 40K have political hacks like Mike Brooks trying to slide his politics into the lore just leaves his work as non-canon. The left doesn't get to use identity politics for the last decade to bludgeon their way into every space don't get to turn around and suddenly claim that such isn't political anymore.

Modern 40K is ♥♥♥♥♥ yes, a lot of people who can't keep their politics out of their professional lives is a lot more apparent. That's not a defence of anything from the modern garbage you mentioned.

The notion of the Mechanicus actually trying to change a process when rigid stagnation is one of their core pillars is absolutely wild to me. It's why Cawl is a heretek and the primaris marines aren't space marines, they're abominations against the lore. That you'd even make that suggestion shows that you're a tourist and nothing you say can be taken at face value.

And ah I see, you're one of those folks who declare others are tourists for banal reasons. Damn, guess I really am a tourist then
Suppose I'll have to throw away my armies :(

Lmao the first person calling *anybody* a tourist was your banned friend, and yet you didn't have a problem when she was saying it.

Good old woke double standards and hypocrisy.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Ralin:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

And ah I see, you're one of those folks who declare others are tourists for banal reasons. Damn, guess I really am a tourist then
Suppose I'll have to throw away my armies :(

Lmao the first person calling *anybody* a tourist was your banned friend, and yet you didn't have a problem when she was saying it.

Good old woke double standards and hypocrisy.

Have you noticed how I don't really comment when others call others tourists? Only when I've been called a tourist?

Or do you presume that I should call out every individual who calls anyone a tourist?

[Bray of Cats]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by Ralin:

Lmao the first person calling *anybody* a tourist was your banned friend, and yet you didn't have a problem when she was saying it.

Good old woke double standards and hypocrisy.

Have you noticed how I don't really comment when others call others tourists? Only when I've been called a tourist?

Or do you presume that I should call out every individual who calls anyone a tourist?

Hypocrisy is when someone else does stuff!

[Ralin]

Originally posted by Bray of Cats (Pron in Bio):

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Have you noticed how I don't really comment when others call others tourists? Only when I've been called a tourist?

Or do you presume that I should call out every individual who calls anyone a tourist?

Hypocrisy is when someone else does stuff!

Hypocrisy has nothing to do with whom does the thing that is hypocritical.

[Ralin]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by Ralin:

Lmao the first person calling *anybody* a tourist was your banned friend, and yet you didn't have a problem when she was saying it.

Good old woke double standards and hypocrisy.

Have you noticed how I don't really comment when others call others tourists? Only when I've been called a tourist?

Or do you presume that I should call out every individual who calls anyone a tourist?

If you think it's a stupid argument against you, you should probably think it's a stupid argument no matter who does it. There's always a "you" on the other end of it.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Ralin:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Have you noticed how I don't really comment when others call others tourists? Only when I've been called a tourist?

Or do you presume that I should call out every individual who calls anyone a tourist?

If you think it's a stupid argument against you, you should probably think it's a stupid argument no matter who does it. There's always a "you" on the other end of it.

Sounds like you're scraping the barrel to find reasons to be upset with others

Anyone else is capable of defending themselves or putting up an argument if they're called a tourist. I know not if one is or is not, hence why I think I've only done it to one individual who refused to answer anything relating to Warhammer like. At all. As that gave me a pretty certain reason (not to mention they came from another forum to spread drama)

Either way, it sounds like you should go on the defense/offense for every individual who has arguments you disagree with

[Bray of Cats]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by Ralin:

If you think it's a stupid argument against you, you should probably think it's a stupid argument no matter who does it. There's always a "you" on the other end of it.

Sounds like you're scraping the barrel to find reasons to be upset with others

Anyone else is capable of defending themselves or putting up an argument if they're called a tourist. I know not if one is or is not, hence why I think I've only done it to one individual who refused to answer anything relating to Warhammer like. At all. As that gave me a pretty certain reason (not to mention they came from another forum to spread drama)

Either way, it sounds like you should go on the defense/offense for every individual who has arguments you disagree with

Yeah this ''true fan'' stuff is very worthless, that I would take as a concede, and it just gets used as a shut down and/ or a well poisoning tactic.

[Ralin]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by Ralin:

If you think it's a stupid argument against you, you should probably think it's a stupid argument no matter who does it. There's always a "you" on the other end of it.

Sounds like you're scraping the barrel to find reasons to be upset with others

Anyone else is capable of defending themselves or putting up an argument if they're called a tourist. I know not if one is or is not, hence why I think I've only done it to one individual who refused to answer anything relating to Warhammer like. At all. As that gave me a pretty certain reason (not to mention they came from another forum to spread drama)

Either way, it sounds like you should go on the defense/offense for every individual who has arguments you disagree with

I don't have to scrape the bottom, you're making it very easy, actually. And I'm not upset, I just like calling out hypocrites.

That's fair enough, yes. Everyone does have the ability to defend themselves (good thing we have gun rights, eh?). But are you saying you wouldn't step in to help stop a bully? I mean, the person they're bullying has the ability to defend themselves, correct?

Lastly, if I chose the battle to call out everyone who says it, I would call out everyone who says it. I didn't choose that battle because I don't care. You do. But not enough to be part of calling out stupid behavior and stopping it for the entire community.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Bray of Cats (Pron in Bio):

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Sounds like you're scraping the barrel to find reasons to be upset with others

Anyone else is capable of defending themselves or putting up an argument if they're called a tourist. I know not if one is or is not, hence why I think I've only done it to one individual who refused to answer anything relating to Warhammer like. At all. As that gave me a pretty certain reason (not to mention they came from another forum to spread drama)

Either way, it sounds like you should go on the defense/offense for every individual who has arguments you disagree with

Yeah this ''true fan'' stuff is very worthless, that I would take as a concede, and it just gets used as a shut down and/ or a well poisoning tactic.

Yeah, I think the "true fan" schtick is worthless. A true fan is just anyone who enjoys the IP and can name at least one thing they enjoy about it in my book

[Ralin]

Originally posted by Bray of Cats (Pron in Bio):

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Sounds like you're scraping the barrel to find reasons to be upset with others

Anyone else is capable of defending themselves or putting up an argument if they're called a tourist. I know not if one is or is not, hence why I think I've only done it to one individual who refused to answer anything relating to Warhammer like. At all. As that gave me a pretty certain reason (not to mention they came from another forum to spread drama)

Either way, it sounds like you should go on the defense/offense for every individual who has arguments you disagree with

Yeah this ''true fan'' stuff is very worthless, that I would take as a concede, and it just gets used as a shut down and/ or a well poisoning tactic.

Now that, we can agree on

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Ralin:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Sounds like you're scraping the barrel to find reasons to be upset with others

Anyone else is capable of defending themselves or putting up an argument if they're called a tourist. I know not if one is or is not, hence why I think I've only done it to one individual who refused to answer anything relating to Warhammer like. At all. As that gave me a pretty certain reason (not to mention they came from another forum to spread drama)

Either way, it sounds like you should go on the defense/offense for every individual who has arguments you disagree with

I don't have to scrape the bottom, you're making it very easy, actually. And I'm not upset, I just like calling out hypocrites.

That's fair enough, yes. Everyone does have the ability to defend themselves (good thing we have gun rights, eh?). But are you saying you wouldn't step in to help stop a bully? I mean, the person they're bullying has the ability to defend themselves, correct?

Lastly, if I chose the battle to call out everyone who says it, I would call out everyone who says it. I didn't choose that battle because I don't care. You do. But not enough to be part of calling out stupid behavior and stopping it for the entire community.

You're acting as if this is a genuine place. This is a forum, a zone where individuals can block at will, move on, say what they want to defend. If this was a real thing, then yes. I'd do what I could to help a victim

However, as I said. This is a forum. There's no need to pretend to be a righteous individual

Clearly, you've picked this "battle" so obviously, you are required to do this constantly. Go to every thread where you see any potential hypocrisy and call it out specifically. If you truly believe this, then you will actually perform this behavior rather than just being a vocal activist

[Bray of Cats]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by Ralin:

I don't have to scrape the bottom, you're making it very easy, actually. And I'm not upset, I just like calling out hypocrites.

That's fair enough, yes. Everyone does have the ability to defend themselves (good thing we have gun rights, eh?). But are you saying you wouldn't step in to help stop a bully? I mean, the person they're bullying has the ability to defend themselves, correct?

Lastly, if I chose the battle to call out everyone who says it, I would call out everyone who says it. I didn't choose that battle because I don't care. You do. But not enough to be part of calling out stupid behavior and stopping it for the entire community.

You're acting as if this is a genuine place. This is a forum, a zone where individuals can block at will, move on, say what they want to defend. If this was a real thing, then yes. I'd do what I could to help a victim

However, as I said. This is a forum. There's no need to pretend to be a righteous individual

Clearly, you've picked this "battle" so obviously, you are required to do this constantly. Go to every thread where you see any potential hypocrisy and call it out specifically. If you truly believe this, then you will actually perform this behavior rather than just being a vocal activist

Some sort of Hypocrisy Justice Warrior? HJW for short?