Why is there a black dude who is an ultramarine

[Last Jackdaw]

I really don't care one way or the other but just curious if the lore has changed?
I thought only the Salamanders had black Marines and the Ultramarines are white guys only?

Also why does he say Zeee NOHs instead of Zeee NAHs?

[General Grievous]

To my knowledge, only Salamanders, Raven Guard and successors ("pale white skin and black eyes") and some Blood Angels successors geneseed changes an initiates' skin color permanently. So black Ultramarines should be possible.

[Chaos Marine]

Originally posted by derpherpitucus:

Originally posted by Chaos Marine:

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You are repeating what I just stated, it even says so in what you are quoting:

""in fact, that Nocturne, being a world where extremes of temperate and highly unusual radiological phenomena were present, served to further bring out this physiological reaction in Terran Legionaries stationed there and freshly in-taken native initiates alike, transforming them."
‘The particular background radiation of Nocturne reacts vigorously with the melanochrome zygote of our primarch’s gene-structure to radically alter the skin pigmentation of his sons.’"

The darker skin is because of a geneseed phenomenon as I said here:

Originally posted by derpherpitucus:

"They become darker skinned because of a phenomenon in the Salamanders' geneseed that protects against radiation interacting with the radiation of Nocturne's sun."

It is not indicative of marines taking on the racial characteristics of their primarchs in a general sense.

I assume you must have mistakenly thought that the darker skin with salamanders was a uniform thing amongst marines and not just an unusual phenomenon. That's why you mistakenly thought that white scars were transforming into people with mongolian features:

Originally posted by Chaos Marine:

and why White Scars would all look Mongolian."

No, I posted those three quotes to show that regardless of their source, they become black with red eyes when they take in the geneseed. Living on Noctune, because of the strange characteristics of it's radiation profile makes it permanent. So far as I can recall, all Astartes chapters/legions can grow pale or dark skinned depending on environmental factors. Salamanders are always black with glowing red eyes, it's their default state but they can grow pale when it's beneficial, it's when they live on Nocturne, that the ability is damaged by Nocturne's radiation and they are stuck to the default, IE being black. They also tend to being larger and stronger than the average marine because they are taking on the genetic characteristics of Vulkan.

[BaZooKa]

After the last gameplay video, where it is clearly seen that one of the space marines is a black dude, I began to worry more about the third one...because he has a woman's face...

[Kai]

GW is pretty much turned into a disney like degenerate company. This looks like rings of Power like bs. All thee boxes are ticked

pass for me.

[PC Panda]

I really though 40k was going to be the last bastion :'(. No doubt it was the woke parent companies, diversity officers etc who put the pressure on to make it happen. Another sacrifice to the alter of diversity my brothers!

I'm most worried about them adding some StraNGGE!E FEmaLLE! GARRL BAZZ marines in there. Thankfully I think that's a bridge too far, even for them to butcher.

Judging by the cutscenes its still, mankind and brothers etc. so that's promising.

[Arizona Ranger]

Originally posted by PC Panda:

I really though 40k was going to be the last bastion :'(. No doubt it was the woke parent companies, diversity officers etc who put the pressure on to make it happen. Another sacrifice to the alter of diversity my brothers!

I'm most worried about them adding some StraNGGE!E FEmaLLE! GARRL BAZZ marines in there. Thankfully I think that's a bridge too far, even for them to butcher.

Judging by the cutscenes its still, mankind and brothers etc. so that's promising.

Lack of gatekeeping is the issue. When you let everyone in then everyone wants to have an input and then it just turns generic by default. Its like mixing colours, when you add all of them you end up with a sludge.

[Kai]

Originally posted by Mcz:

Originally posted by PC Panda:

I really though 40k was going to be the last bastion :'(. No doubt it was the woke parent companies, diversity officers etc who put the pressure on to make it happen. Another sacrifice to the alter of diversity my brothers!

I'm most worried about them adding some StraNGGE!E FEmaLLE! GARRL BAZZ marines in there. Thankfully I think that's a bridge too far, even for them to butcher.

Judging by the cutscenes its still, mankind and brothers etc. so that's promising.

Lack of gatekeeping is the issue. When you let everyone in then everyone wants to have an input and then it just turns generic by default. Its like mixing colours, when you add all of them you end up with a sludge.

The people whoo work at GW are the rreal culprit, they make it happen, though gatekeeping is essential regardless. I have completely lost interest in 40K, its unique charm is gone. Its become a generic woke fantasy like most western franchises.

[Soren]

Originally posted by BaZooKa:

After the last gameplay video, where it is clearly seen that one of the space marines is a black dude, I began to worry more about the third one...because he has a woman's face...

Where the do you see a female face? its one thing if the marine looks a bit feminine to you but i assure you No space marines will ever be female. The closest you'll get are the sisters of battle.

(this isnt a gender thing, well it kind of is because GW tried to introduce female space marines wayy back in the early days but everyone hated it, so they canned that, later on they brought the sisters of battle which everyone loved).

[Arizona Ranger]

Originally posted by Kai:

Originally posted by Mcz:

Lack of gatekeeping is the issue. When you let everyone in then everyone wants to have an input and then it just turns generic by default. Its like mixing colours, when you add all of them you end up with a sludge.

The people whoo work at GW are the rreal culprit, they make it happen, though gatekeeping is essential regardless. I have completely lost interest in 40K, its unique charm is gone. Its become a generic woke fantasy like most western franchises.

All that begins must end. I started with Warhammer in 92 and it is sad seeing the decline that started around 2010 but I have long made my peace with it. I still play the TT and paint and play most of the modern video games but they are a fun distraction for me and not a passion like it used to be when I was a kid.

[Wh1te_Substance]

Are people forgetting the bad ass black characters in the first dawn of war games?
Inquisitor Toth in Dawn of war 1
Jonah Orion in Dawn of war 2
Like, Warhammer 40k takes place across the galaxy, across millions of worlds, and people are genuinely shocked that there's black people? LMAO

[Alpharius Nox]

Originally posted by Mcz:

Originally posted by Kai:

The people whoo work at GW are the rreal culprit, they make it happen, though gatekeeping is essential regardless. I have completely lost interest in 40K, its unique charm is gone. Its become a generic woke fantasy like most western franchises.

All that begins must end. I started with Warhammer in 92 and it is sad seeing the decline that started around 2010 but I have long made my peace with it. I still play the TT and paint and play most of the modern video games but they are a fun distraction for me and not a passion like it used to be when I was a kid.

I started reading Warhammer 40k, at the age of seven in 1992, with the "Realm of Chaos" books. I've been reading Warhammer lore since then. Nearly every single Black Library release, including the entire Horus Heresy series. And I have yet to find, in any of those books a single line stating that every Space Marine must look like their primarch in all aspects. Though it does happen to some chapters, Salamanders, being the most notable, Blood Angels, Thousand Sons, but only adapting very specific features, like the pale white skin of Nostramo. Or the handsome looks of Horus. Not every member of the Thousand Sons ends up having red skin like Magnus.

I've never read anything that said every Ultramarine, regardless of ethnic origin, turns white with blonde hair and blue eyes.

So it's not "woke" that you see a dark skinned Ultramarine, it's just more lore immersive.
With 500 worlds in the Ultramar system, it's pretty goofy to think that they all look like Guilliman.

[Le Mad Rooster]

one of the only positive improvements in the 40k lore as opposed to today is that races as they exist today don't mean a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing.
No one cares if you are black white or anything else.
if you've got enough hands to hold a Lasweapon (but not too many hands, that's another issue) then you are good to go.

If you are shook that some of the trillion+ inhabitants of Ultramar are not white then that sucks for you but its definitely a you problem.

[The Mountain Jew]

i bet all of you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ never even played the tabletop. keep farming jesters though, its a good source of income.

[ZEROspawn]

It is lore breaking yes. Because they forget that they have a organ that changes skin color, so on one world they would have dark skin if the rediation was higher, on another they would be light skinned. It doesn't matter what color they where to begin with. The problem here is that he should have black features but be white, as the others are white because the radiation on this planet is low. Also it's true that Ultramarines have more planets to recruit from, but it isn't 500, we know that from the codex. They did rule over 500 worlds at one time, but not now or when this game is taking places.

"The Ultramarines recruit from the human populations of the nine worlds of Ultramar, who are then subjected to intense military training at several barracks institutions maintained around that realm"

It should also be said that there are many chapters that have uniq skin, it's not just the Salamanders. As the Ravens are really white and pale, so is the Carcharodons while also being more greyish. It should also be said that it is said that some chaptors will start to look like their primach a lot more, also why Ultramarines would be said to look more roman like in their looks with blond hair, as that is how Roboute Guilliman looks like.

[ZEROspawn]

Originally posted by Alpharius:

Originally posted by Mcz:

All that begins must end. I started with Warhammer in 92 and it is sad seeing the decline that started around 2010 but I have long made my peace with it. I still play the TT and paint and play most of the modern video games but they are a fun distraction for me and not a passion like it used to be when I was a kid.

I started reading Warhammer 40k, at the age of seven in 1992, with the "Realm of Chaos" books. I've been reading Warhammer lore since then. Nearly every single Black Library release, including the entire Horus Heresy series. And I have yet to find, in any of those books a single line stating that every Space Marine must look like their primarch in all aspects. Though it does happen to some chapters, Salamanders, being the most notable, Blood Angels, Thousand Sons, but only adapting very specific features, like the pale white skin of Nostramo. Or the handsome looks of Horus. Not every member of the Thousand Sons ends up having red skin like Magnus.

I've never read anything that said every Ultramarine, regardless of ethnic origin, turns white with blonde hair and blue eyes.

So it's not "woke" that you see a dark skinned Ultramarine, it's just more lore immersive.
With 500 worlds in the Ultramar system, it's pretty goofy to think that they all look like Guilliman.

Well he would still be pale here as the Melanochrome organ would turn his skin white, if the radiation was higher the other space marines would be darker to black in color. This is the organ that is messed up in the Salamanders, Raven Guard, Carcharodons and so on.