Why is there a black dude who is an ultramarine

[Last Jackdaw]

I really don't care one way or the other but just curious if the lore has changed?
I thought only the Salamanders had black Marines and the Ultramarines are white guys only?

Also why does he say Zeee NOHs instead of Zeee NAHs?

[Standard Bearer]

It is lore breaking but i think they were under pressure to apply racial diversity into this game from the higher ups and also because the Salamanders wont be featured in this game. most likely

[astgdzfgdsg]

There are five hundred inhabited planets in Ultramar, some are entirely desert planets, some are entirely snow, some have a mix with temperate blends like on earth, all with 40,000 years of human habitation. There is gonna be every kind of human and then some that the marines recruit from.

So it's lore friendly, altho idk if ultras were ever strictly one race in depiction

[BaZooKa]

Life teaches nothing to all these newfangled producers.
Amazon LoTR, Witcher and Witcher Origins, Lucas Films and Disney are already reaping the fruits of their narrow-minded policy
There will come a time when this will end

By the way, there has already been a discussion about strong and independent half women, and apparently it was deleted

[Vixen]

Originally posted by derpherpitucus:

There are five hundred inhabited planets in Ultramar, some are entirely desert planets, some are entirely snow, some have a mix with temperate blends like on earth, all with 40,000 years of human habitation. There is gonna be every kind of human and then some that the marines recruit from.

So it's lore friendly, altho idk if ultras were ever strictly one race in depiction

Just like this comment

The reason you'll see the depictions of ultramarines as white almost always and only make race changes for specific chapters because of lore is simple, GW is just selling their most accessible skin colours and so Devs see it's always depictions of white people, white people are easy to paint as natural looking black(brown) is a lot more subtle tones so it's often discouraged, the black tones of the salamanders is easier because simply put it's charcoal black and requires a lot less articulation of subtle skin tone

[UnCivilServant]

Originally posted by Last Jackdaw:

I really don't care one way or the other but just curious if the lore has changed?
I thought only the Salamanders had black Marines and the Ultramarines are white guys only?

It really depends on whether the Melanochrome organ is operating properly and the amount of elecromagnetic radiation recieved what hue the individual Space Marine turns. The Smurfs and Dark Angels will change color in sunlight, the Salamanders are stuck dark, and the Raven Guard and Blood Angels are stuck white.

Now if you get into facial mrophology, that's a different question.

[Vulkan]

It seems that nobody in here has ever read Avenging Son; you have a black ultramarine in the cover: Lieutenant Ferren Areios.

[CadaveR]

Spoiler: salamander aren't "black", they don't have real world african traits. Its only their skin to be obsidian tone, its a gene seed mutation.

Originally posted by Vulkan:

It seems that nobody in here has ever read Avenging Son; you have a black ultramarine in the cover: Lieutenant Ferren Areios.

Yes, he was chosen to be a lieutenant by Guilliman to led his primaris.

[BlckEagle89]

Originally posted by derpherpitucus:

There are five hundred inhabited planets in Ultramar, some are entirely desert planets, some are entirely snow, some have a mix with temperate blends like on earth, all with 40,000 years of human habitation. There is gonna be every kind of human and then some that the marines recruit from.

So it's lore friendly, altho idk if ultras were ever strictly one race in depiction

This is why I don't understand when people talk about black ultramarines (there was a black ultramarine on Avenging Son and people complained too). Ultramar is vast and has tons of planets and possibly tons of different races too, why is it so hard to believe there are non-white people? It will be like people complained that there are non asian white scars, like what? The race or skin has nothing to do with gene seed compatibility and worthiness of a normal human turning into an Astartes. The only exception are the Salamanders, but mostly because they literally turn charcoal black (or whatever the name of the color is) due to a gene mutation. Even if a chapter only recruits from a single planet, it is hard to believe that there are not more than one race on it with different skin colors, unless that planet has super low population, in which case I doubt they would recruit from only there.

[Vulkan]

Originally posted by BlckEagle89:

This is why I don't understand when people talk about black ultramarines (there was a black ultramarine on Avenging Son and people complained too).

If you're talking about me, I wasn't complaining, I just pointed that there were black ultramarines before this game.

And yes, you're right, non-white White Scars are a thing, at least in 30K. And I also saw one or two black Black Templars.

[bigd]

Originally posted by BlckEagle89:

Originally posted by derpherpitucus:

There are five hundred inhabited planets in Ultramar, some are entirely desert planets, some are entirely snow, some have a mix with temperate blends like on earth, all with 40,000 years of human habitation. There is gonna be every kind of human and then some that the marines recruit from.

So it's lore friendly, altho idk if ultras were ever strictly one race in depiction

This is why I don't understand when people talk about black ultramarines (there was a black ultramarine on Avenging Son and people complained too). Ultramar is vast and has tons of planets and possibly tons of different races too, why is it so hard to believe there are non-white people? It will be like people complained that there are non asian white scars, like what? The race or skin has nothing to do with gene seed compatibility and worthiness of a normal human turning into an Astartes. The only exception are the Salamanders, but mostly because they literally turn charcoal black (or whatever the name of the color is) due to a gene mutation. Even if a chapter only recruits from a single planet, it is hard to believe that there are not more than one race on it with different skin colors, unless that planet has super low population, in which case I doubt they would recruit from only there.

The same people that thinks racism doesn't exist are the same ones that has a problem when a black character is added to a GAME.

[Upright]

Originally posted by Last Jackdaw:

I really don't care one way or the other but just curious if the lore has changed?
I thought only the Salamanders had black Marines and the Ultramarines are white guys only?

Also why does he say Zeee NOHs instead of Zeee NAHs?

Because Games Workshop has gone completely woke.

Every pack of miniatures now has to include atleast one racially diverse figure on the box.

Look at their store, even in the medieval fantasy setting they are doing it.

Its a really racist, money hungry company, what can you expect.

No black person has ever complained about a lack of representation in 40k. Its just racist white activists who act like they need to defend and speak for blacks folks.

Its just a matter of time until they write female space marines into the franchise too, and the zombies who accept primaris lore will also just accept that.

[BaZooKa]

Does anyone think that there is no problem in not following Lore?
Look at the ratings of The Witcher, Witcher Origins, LOtR Amazon
and it will become obvious that no one wants to see black gnomes and elves.
So yes, it is problem.

And what exactly is racism in this case? Is that what was originally white is expected to be white now? Is this the problem?
It's not racism, it's common sense
No one gets into African folklore, fairy tales and myths and does not expect to see white people there.

But there will definitely be "smart" people who want to level everyone under their woke diversity propaganda

[Upright]

Originally posted by BaZooKa:

Does anyone think that there is no problem in not following Lore?
Look at the ratings of The Witcher, Witcher Origins, LOtR Amazon
and it will become obvious that no one wants to see black gnomes and elves.
So yes, it is problem.

And what exactly is racism in this case? Is that what was originally white is expected to be white now? Is this the problem?
It's not racism, it's common sense
No one gets into African folklore, fairy tales and myths and does not expect to see white people there.

But there will definitely be "smart" people who want to level everyone under their woke diversity propaganda

Amen.

[BE4R]

Look up who the lead writer of the game is. It will answer many of your fears/questions. She's... one of those "we can make the 40k universe better" after not being in it/and knowing nothing about it.

[Upright]

Originally posted by BE4R:

Look up who the lead writer of the game is. It will answer many of your fears/questions. She's... one of those "we can make the 40k universe better" after not being in it/and knowing nothing about it.

Yup i looked into it. Its not even a she. Hahaha