Cross over characters without nexus?

[maxtheacer97]

will they update the game with the crossover and event characters?

[ShiroiRyu]

It's what I would hope too.

[Sol]

The dev team mentioned back in October that they "Were thinking about it" regarding bringing back the collab characters through DLC. But for now, modding is the only way to get the collab characters in any capacity.

[Yaerveth]

Originally posted by Sol:

The dev team mentioned back in October that they "Were thinking about it" regarding bringing back the collab characters through DLC. But for now, modding is the only way to get the collab characters in any capacity.

They said they'd consider it after evaluation the "positive response" which is pretty much a false hope. In other words, more people need to buy the game for it to happen which doesn't look that hopeful even with the sale going on.

I'm also one of the people who bought the game during this sale, but the selling point for me was the possibility of modding it which I ended up doing as soon as I got my hands on it. I personally wouldn't pay a single penny for a DLC, especially knowing that restoring them is possible through modding.

[CrowRising]

Originally posted by Yaerveth:

I personally wouldn't pay a single penny for a DLC, especially knowing that restoring them is possible through modding.

Any as of yet unfinished mods to add collab content back in would likely be discontinued if it ever got added in officially, so you'd have to make the mods for it yourself. Currently the only restored collab content is the DMC crossover.

[Yaerveth]

Originally posted by CrowRising:

Originally posted by Yaerveth:

I personally wouldn't pay a single penny for a DLC, especially knowing that restoring them is possible through modding.

Any as of yet unfinished mods to add collab content back in would likely be discontinued if it ever got added in officially, so you'd have to make the mods for it yourself. Currently the only restored collab content is the DMC crossover.

I think that would only accelerate the restoration process since modders would have access to files without actually data mining and having to fix them. The only reason why other collabs haven't been restored yet is the amount of work that is required to fix them AFAIK.

They also restored Raid Bosses and random DNAs, by the way. Co-op stages are also partially restored.

[CrowRising]

Originally posted by Yaerveth:

Originally posted by CrowRising:

Any as of yet unfinished mods to add collab content back in would likely be discontinued if it ever got added in officially, so you'd have to make the mods for it yourself. Currently the only restored collab content is the DMC crossover.

I think that would only accelerate the restoration process since modders would have access to files without actually data mining and having to fix them. The only reason why other collabs haven't been restored yet is the amount of work that is required to fix them AFAIK.

They also restored Raid Bosses and random DNAs, by the way. Co-op stages are also partially restored.

What you're not realizing is that there'd be nothing left for the modding community to restore, because it would already be released officially. What you're talking about is the creation of piracy mods to access officially released content for free.

[Yaerveth]

Originally posted by CrowRising:

Originally posted by Yaerveth:

I think that would only accelerate the restoration process since modders would have access to files without actually data mining and having to fix them. The only reason why other collabs haven't been restored yet is the amount of work that is required to fix them AFAIK.

They also restored Raid Bosses and random DNAs, by the way. Co-op stages are also partially restored.

What you're not realizing is that there'd be nothing left for the modding community to restore, because it would already be released officially. What you're talking about is the creation of piracy mods to access officially released content for free.

I see nothing wrong with that. That's the whole point. In my book, it's morally correct. I'm not about to pay for something that is already in the game, but simply disabled for ridiculous reasons.

The only occasion where I'd pay for them if modders fail to restore them. Zinogre Iris, Crimson Valstrax Zero, and AKUMA are currently impossible to restore. If that doesn't change in the future and Capcom decides to bring them in, I may end up paying for them if they are priced reasonably.

[CrowRising]

Originally posted by Yaerveth:

Originally posted by CrowRising:

What you're not realizing is that there'd be nothing left for the modding community to restore, because it would already be released officially. What you're talking about is the creation of piracy mods to access officially released content for free.

I see nothing wrong with that. That's the whole point. In my book, it's morally correct. I'm not about to pay for something that is already in the game, but simply disabled for ridiculous reasons.

The only occasion where I'd pay for them if modders fail to restore them. Zinogre Iris, Crimson Valstrax Zero, and AKUMA are currently impossible to restore. If that doesn't change in the future and Capcom decides to bring them in, I may end up paying for them if they are priced reasonably.

The odds are the officially released versions of the collab content would be free updates anyway, but you're missing the point entirely. It's not about whether it's morally correct or not, or what you are or are not willing to pay for. It's that mod creators restoring that content would either be unable to publish or would stop production of their mods because there would no longer be a point anymore; it would already be official content. If you wanted those mods you would have to make them yourself.

[Yaerveth]

Originally posted by CrowRising:

Originally posted by Yaerveth:

I see nothing wrong with that. That's the whole point. In my book, it's morally correct. I'm not about to pay for something that is already in the game, but simply disabled for ridiculous reasons.

The only occasion where I'd pay for them if modders fail to restore them. Zinogre Iris, Crimson Valstrax Zero, and AKUMA are currently impossible to restore. If that doesn't change in the future and Capcom decides to bring them in, I may end up paying for them if they are priced reasonably.

The odds are the officially released versions of the collab content would be free updates anyway, but you're missing the point entirely. It's not about whether it's morally correct or not, or what you are or are not willing to pay for. It's that mod creators restoring that content would either be unable to publish or would stop production of their mods because there would no longer be a point anymore; it would already be official content. If you wanted those mods you would have to make them yourself.

If they bring them back as a free content then yes, what you're saying is correct. However, what I'm saying is that if they're locked behind a paywall, the efforts to restore them would just accelerate since there are many people out there who wouldn't want to pay for already existing content. This would fall into the piracy category, as you've stated before, but I doubt anyone would care if that were to happen. Sure, there are some licensing issues to be sorted out, deals to be made with their "parent" company, but from a consumer perspective, that's straight up ridiculous.

Capcom Taiwan is just another branch of Capcom that apparently couldn't make necessary deals and agreements with their parent company to bring in the collab characters and stages on release. Considering Capcom Japan was heavily involved in the development process, I fail to understand how this wasn't possible in the first place.

Apart from collab stages, co-op stages were also left out. They had single player option in online, why not bring them back? Hell, they even brought back the Race Mode which is just another gimmick for existing stages, but co-op stages were unique, they even had unique bosses that weren't present in Story Mode. Capcom Taiwan's decisions for Offline really confuses me. They're either lazy or just don't care.

I apologize for the conflict, but I believe we both failed to understand each other at some point, but glad that's sorted out. I personally want them to release them as a free update since restoring AKUMA, Crimson Valstrax Zero, and Zinogre Iris seems very unlikely. I don't know how things will turn out in the long run, but I'd rather have them as a free DLC; otherwise, I'd gladly take the modding path.

[CrowRising]

Originally posted by Yaerveth:

the efforts to restore them would just accelerate since there are many people out there who wouldn't want to pay for already existing content. This would fall into the piracy category, as you've stated before, but I doubt anyone would care if that were to happen.

They wouldn't be able to publish them, that's the problem. Nexus for example doesn't allow you to just post "mods" that enable paid DLC's for free, piracy is against Steam ToS so anything posted in the guides section would likely be removed as well, and in addition to there potentially being similar issues with the modding Discord there's also a lot of people such as myself that don't use Discord to begin with so there wouldn't be as much reach there regardless. It's not a matter of what's morally correct or what people would care about, it's a matter of what the law is and how sites function in accordance with it.

Originally posted by Yaerveth:

Capcom Taiwan is just another branch of Capcom that apparently couldn't make necessary deals and agreements with their parent company to bring in the collab characters and stages on release. Considering Capcom Japan was heavily involved in the development process, I fail to understand how this wasn't possible in the first place.

It's because Capcom is more of an umbrella over multiple smaller "companies" than just one thing. Like you mentioned, Capcom Taiwan are the main devs and publishers of X DiVE in general, including Offline. Capcom Japan got involved, and in particular got into meetings and struck up deals licensing out IP's for crossover content with Capcom Japan for the original X DiVE. Because Offline is legally registered as a different game than the original X DiVE, they (Taiwan) undoubtedly had to re-acquire the rights to Mega Man to publish Offline at all, and given the risky nature of the project (Capcom Japan seems to have not had faith Offline would sell well) they (Japan) didn't renew the licenses for the crossover content, presumably to avoid their other franchises being associated with a flop. This is presumably why Taiwan are waiting for positive reception from X DiVE Offline before implementing the content in an accessible manner, they need the go ahead from Japan first and that's probably the condition they were given.

[Yaerveth]

Originally posted by CrowRising:

It's because Capcom is more of an umbrella over multiple smaller "companies" than just one thing. Like you mentioned, Capcom Taiwan are the main devs and publishers of X DiVE in general, including Offline. Capcom Japan got involved, and in particular got into meetings and struck up deals licensing out IP's for crossover content with Capcom Japan for the original X DiVE. Because Offline is legally registered as a different game than the original X DiVE, they (Taiwan) undoubtedly had to re-acquire the rights to Mega Man to publish Offline at all, and given the risky nature of the project (Capcom Japan seems to have not had faith Offline would sell well) they (Japan) didn't renew the licenses for the crossover content, presumably to avoid their other franchises being associated with a flop. This is presumably why Taiwan are waiting for positive reception from X DiVE Offline before implementing the content in an accessible manner, they need the go ahead from Japan first and that's probably the condition they were given.

Not much to say about the piracy part since you're right, but this? I'd say your assumption is solid, but from the consumer perspective, that's just a bad move and gives a bad rep to the devs.

Well, let's just hope that the cut content are eventually restored one way or another...

[Maverick]

Originally posted by Yaerveth:

Originally posted by CrowRising:

This would fall into the piracy category, as you've stated before, but I doubt anyone would care if that were to happen. Sure, there are some licensing issues to be sorted out, deals to be made with their "parent" company, but from a consumer perspective, that's straight up ridiculous.

Regardless of how you personally feel about Piracy, it's still against the law, and mods in general are usually only allowed because they don't add official content into other versions of the same game, especially since some of those are still purchasable on the online versions that are still up and running.

You can argue that it's ridiculous, or that it's stupid, or that you want it so you should be able to have it, but when it comes to official content being modded in, Capcom themselves are not going to be very happy with that. Especially after the Chun li incident that really shifted their their stance on modding from "It's okay as long as it's not damaging online play" to "We will now treat these as if they are hacks and prevent and issue C&D against mods we find to be against our companies best interests" all because some guy couldn't keep his wet dreams in his dreams and showed up to an official tournament with a naked chun li mod....and streamed it on twitch.