what's the highest possible power level?

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

And can it defeat Namek saga Freeza?

[catromaji]

More than 1.3M apparently, but no, I don't see how it would reach 12 million Frieza PL.

[Grev]

I'm currently at level 120 out of I understand a possible 200, with a power level cresting 600k and growing as I cheese my way through all the event stages.

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

Originally posted by catromaji:

More than 1.3M apparently, but no, I don't see how it would reach 12 million Frieza PL.

It was 120mill lol.

[CrowRising]

On the topic of scaling power levels from Mega Man and comparing them to DBZ, I'd like to have a little fun and analyze the two series somewhat properly. As far as Mega Man is concerned, there's technically three answers for who could be the strongest individuals in the main timeline that we know of (that means no Battle Network or Starforce).

The first contender is Omega. On his own, he singlehandedly leveled around 60-70% of all human civilization to the ground during the Elf Wars, and that was in his comparatively much weaker giant armor body before getting amped up by the Dark Elf. His power was so terrifying that even X couldn't permanently defeat him and the best solution anyone came up with was to banish him into space. Omega at close to his full power does go on to get defeated by Zero, but that was because of Zero's superior fighting skills and not because of Zero's raw strength. Zero was actually in a weaker body at the time, he just knew how to use it better than Omega.

The second contender is Vent/Aile, who while still relatively inexperienced managed to defeat Omega at full power. The power of the Double Megamerge/Rock-on is truly nothing to scoff at. Still, it's unclear whether this victory is even canon, and if it is what Omega's actual reason for fighting them was. If for instance he was simply testing their worthiness to use Model O, he might not have been truly going all out despite this being the hardest version of his boss fight by far.

The third contender is Grey/Ashe, who managed to defeat a much more skilled and experienced version of Vent/Aile. However, it's unclear whether this was Vent/Aile genuinely being overpowered by them, or if they let them "win" to test how they would act and determine whether they were truly enemies or not.

Regardless of which of these three options is truly the strongest, the unfortunate truth of the matter is that not a single one of them comes even remotely close to planet busting level, a feat that pretty much every DBZ character of noteworthy strength was capable of during the Saiyan Saga. Even Piccolo, one of the weaker characters of the saga, was at the time easily 5 times stronger than Master Roshi was during both of their respective moon busting feats, making Piccolo small planet level.

I'd say that at their absolute strongest, Omega, Vent/Aile, and Grey/Ashe are around city busters. This places them at a power level of only somewhere in-between 10 and 100 by Dragon Ball's scaling methods, as Master Roshi was only around 120 power level when he busted the moon.

Comparing this to Freeza's peak of 120 Million during the Namek saga, quite frankly even if Omega, Vent, Aile, Grey, and Ashe were to all be fighting him at once they wouldn't be able to so much as scratch him. Their combined odds of even just inflicting damage would be worse than Krillin's odds fighting by himself, which is kinda funny but also very terrifying to think about.

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

EXE/SS is probably superior in terms of scaling. Disregarding that, I have to disagree as I think you're way too lowballing it.

Even going by X3 and X8, and remember, Zero/ZX scale higher than X series, X is able to manhandle two bosses that can summon blackholes. This by itself makes X, and by extention Zero and Axl, solar system level. And his dash is massively faster than light too.

[Null_User]

So far I'm on 1.1 mill. Haven't played much these past few days and there's still a lot to do to get a bit more power because of chip and gallery. At least in Online, I saw players going past 1.4M, so offline, having less things to power up (Offline is missing the entire Backup mechanic), should have a bit less, but the difference appears to not be much.

[CrowRising]

Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:

EXE/SS is probably superior in terms of scaling. Disregarding that, I have to disagree as I think you're way too lowballing it.

Even going by X3 and X8, and remember, Zero/ZX scale higher than X series, X is able to manhandle two bosses that can summon blackholes. This by itself makes X, and by extention Zero and Axl, solar system level. And his dash is massively faster than light too.

The black holes in Mega Man in general are tiny, and the original Mega Man back in 20XX was already able to deal with them. I don't think anyone's trying to say he's solar system level. Faster than light was achieved all the way back in the original Dragon Ball, such as when Goku "dodged" a point blank Solar Flare from Tien by putting on a pair of sunglasses before the light could reach his eyes. And that's not even taking into account light being
much faster in the Dragon Ball universe.

Honestly, solar system level in general is way, way highballing anyone from the main timeline. If they were truly that strong, they'd be having to take way more care every time they attack, because they'd be like gods destroying whole sections of the cities with every flick of their wrists. There's a reason why Goku always likes to take his fights out of populated areas in DBZ. Omega wouldn't have leveled 60-70% of all human civilzation, he would have gotten the job done effortlessly and probably even destroyed the planet in the process. Just generally speaking, feats such as dealing with black holes seem impressive but shouldn't be taken out of context to power wank characters up too high when their other feats don't line up with it. At best, it just means that they're very durable.

[MarioFanaticXV]

Both series are so wildly inconsistent with how powerful their characters are that trying to compare them in any logical manner is going to fail.

If I recall, Sunstar from Mega Man V is said to be powerful enough to destroy the universe; yet the original Mega Man is able to defeat him, and in turn X is clearly supposed to be more powerful than the original.

[Kerrack]

Originally posted by CrowRising:

Even Piccolo, one of the weaker characters of the saga, was at the time easily 5 times stronger than Master Roshi was during both of their respective moon busting feats, making Piccolo small planet level.

The total energy output required actually increases at a greater than linear rate due to the inverse square law. The total energy output for Earth-busting is roughly twelve hundred times that required for the moon. Which means Frieza is probably the first character we see that’s actually capable of it. (I’m not counting that scene with Vegeta blowing up Arlia because that wasn’t in the manga.)

[Kerrack]

Originally posted by CrowRising:

The black holes in Mega Man in general are tiny

To be fair, even a black hole the size of a golf ball would have mass equivalent to two and a half Earth-sized planets.

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

Originally posted by Kerrack:

Originally posted by CrowRising:

The black holes in Mega Man in general are tiny

To be fair, even a black hole the size of a golf ball would have mass equivalent to two and a half Earth-sized planets.

Is it fair to point out that the black holes don't obliterate the entire level you're playing in or is this getting too meta?

[Kerrack]

Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:

Originally posted by Kerrack:

To be fair, even a black hole the size of a golf ball would have mass equivalent to two and a half Earth-sized planets.

Is it fair to point out that the black holes don't obliterate the entire level you're playing in or is this getting too meta?

It’s possible (and arguably probable) that they are encased within some sort of containment field when fired in order to limit their area of effect. After all, having a weapon that tears the floor out from under you would be pretty counterproductive.
Or just game design.

[CrowRising]

Originally posted by Kerrack:

Originally posted by CrowRising:

Even Piccolo, one of the weaker characters of the saga, was at the time easily 5 times stronger than Master Roshi was during both of their respective moon busting feats, making Piccolo small planet level.

The total energy output required actually increases at a greater than linear rate due to the inverse square law. The total energy output for Earth-busting is roughly twelve hundred times that required for the moon. Which means Frieza is probably the first character we see that’s actually capable of it. (I’m not counting that scene with Vegeta blowing up Arlia because that wasn’t in the manga.)

Vegeta directly states before his beam clash with Goku in the Saiyan Saga that his Galick Gun is intended to destroy the entire planet. He's sick and tired of the fight not going his way and like a child throwing a temper tantrum his intention is to blow up the entire planet as an instant win, probably intending on escaping in his pod after surviving the explosion.

This also means that Goku's Times Four Kamehameha which he used to overpower Vegeta's Galick Gun was likewise planet busting level, and Vegeta was already strong enough to survive that amount of power colliding with him.

Although it's unknown exactly how large and dense Namek is, it's generally assumed to be much larger than the Earth given how even final form Freeza's attack that was intended to destroy the planet only managed to inflict a glancing blow on the core, delaying the explosion. Goku initially assumed Freeza did this on purpose due to being afraid of dying in space, but that's when Freeza explains that he is capable of (somehow) breathing in space and that he has no reason to hold any such fear.

[Kerrack]

Originally posted by CrowRising:

Originally posted by Kerrack:

The total energy output required actually increases at a greater than linear rate due to the inverse square law. The total energy output for Earth-busting is roughly twelve hundred times that required for the moon. Which means Frieza is probably the first character we see that’s actually capable of it. (I’m not counting that scene with Vegeta blowing up Arlia because that wasn’t in the manga.)

Vegeta directly states before his beam clash with Goku in the Saiyan Saga that his Galick Gun is intended to destroy the entire planet.

Yeah, but someone saying a thing does not automatically make that thing true. He probably assumed he was powerful enough to do it. He was certainly powerful enough to wipe out all life on Earth and render the planet uninhabitable in the process with that attack, but there’s not really any evidence that he was actually capable of destroying the planet beyond him having said it. And given how often Vegeta overestimates his abilities and gets absolutely wrecked in fights throughout the series I would argue that his word isn’t particularly convincing evidence.

[CrowRising]

Originally posted by Kerrack:

Originally posted by CrowRising:

Vegeta directly states before his beam clash with Goku in the Saiyan Saga that his Galick Gun is intended to destroy the entire planet.

Yeah, but someone saying a thing does not automatically make that thing true. He probably assumed he was powerful enough to do it. He was certainly powerful enough to wipe out all life on Earth and render the planet uninhabitable in the process with that attack, but there’s not really any evidence that he was actually capable of destroying the planet beyond him having said it. And given how often Vegeta overestimates his abilities and gets absolutely wrecked in fights throughout the series I would argue that his word isn’t particularly convincing evidence.

Vegeta doesn't overestimate his abilities, he's actually a very skilled elite fighter with a good read on his own limitations. Or at least, this is true in every circumstance before he started going on about being a Super Saiyan to Freeza, but even that was him just struggling to make sense of a lot of overwhelming information all at once. His problem is the opposite problem; his ego is so large that he underestimates his enemies.

This remains his Achilles Heel up until Gohan kills Cell. It's during the peacetime after Cell's defeat that Vegeta does a lot of soul searching and makes himself into a new man, with the only thing even slightly returning him back to how he was being Babidi's magic, and even that only being temporary.