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What??? Have you ever seen a handheld PC? Of which there are dozens of types, if not hundreds by now? This is completely wrong on every level
And why are you saying the Steam Deck doesn't count?!
I absolutely 100% do not even care what most people think. When did I say I care what most people think? I just said the console version is a downgrade, because it objectively is, and I only said it because someone else assumed it was an upgrade
Yeah, maybe you should have stopped at the point where you tried to use random excuses to deny that the console port is a downgrade. Like I said, I don't know what you want from me. I just stated a fact, no more, no less
Telling me this conversation was a waste is extremely unfair since you're the one who's clearly misinformed. The PC version has mods built in (which effectively makes them gameplay options and not mods in the traditional sense) and you don't seem to have a clue what a handheld PC is or can be. Rather than taking in this new knowledge you just sit on your old belief and tell me that the conversation was a waste. Great. Thanks for that, my guy
Hello, is this thing on?!? There's pre-installed mods, it's an official feature included with the base game, you're basing your argument on a false belief
https://youtu.be/7ONVDZf6PUw
Instead I'm just gonna put the controls below. Even though they're similar to the console layout, I put some advanced functions in there you might want to know
(If you want to download it, the layout is called "Console Layout With D'Pad Weapon Select")
Menus:
Right Analog Stick: Move Cursor
Right Trigger: Primary Select
Left Trigger: Secondary Select
Left Analog Stick Press Down: Open Keyboard
In-Game:
D'Pad | Left Analog Stick: Move Worm, Aim Up/Down
Right Analog Stick: Move Camera | Move Target/Cursor
A Button: Fire
X Button: Jump 1
B Button: Jump 2
Y Button: Cycle Fuse Time
Left Shoulder: Select Worm
Right Shoulder: Toggle Worm Names
Left Trigger: Open Weapons Panel
Right Trigger: Confirm Target (cursor-based weapons/tools)
Right Analog Stick Press Down: Open/Close Chat Panel
Left Analog Stick Press Down: Open Keyboard
Select: Center Worm Toggle
Start: Pause Game
Weapons Panel:
D'Pad | Left Analog Stick: Select Weapon
Left Trigger | A | X | B: Close Weapons Panel
Right Trigger: Select Weapon
Advanced Functions:
Hold Y Button: Toggle MAX/MIN bounce (grenade type weapons)
Hold Start: Toggle Background graphics
Squeeze Right Trigger Tight: Allows Worm to Walk Backwards, Increases Camera Speed
Squeeze and Hold Right Trigger Squeeze After Cursor-Based Weapon Selection: Increases Cursor Speed (for situations when you have little turn time left)
I find it insulting that you ignore things I tell you, and that you prefer to spread misinformation about things you don't understand like handhelds. If you're not even gonna take the time to read what I say, and then proclaim the discussion was a waste (what the hell dude??) then why are you just wasting my time? That's the reason I think you're being a jerk.
I believe grass is green, you believe it's blue, that's a difference. Also, what does that even mean. If this was about having beliefs then you wouldn't have tried to "correct" me in the first place.
So what's your problem then? I never argued that it could be done (even though it can but that's mostly the console makers' fault), that changes nothing about its nature as a downgrade however.
I also don't understand why you keep ignoring the fact that there's mods being pre-installed. That's different from merely having the option for mods, it adds gameplay functionality right off the bat that is missing from consoles
So does the Steam version? I will concede the default layout is not as good as it can be, but that hardly makes up for the other deficits. The console version will not have keyboard and mouse support presumably, so that's another deficiency
No, not really. Those are not part of the game. You can watch that later on YouTube probably (or I might emulate the Switch version), albeit I would have preferred to just buy those. Those are things that don't have to be inside a game at all, you could just display them on a website or give me straight downloads
Something isn't a sidegrade because of minor upsides
That hinges on you stopping making replies that are objectively wrong. If you have to ask whether a discussion can be finished, maybe take a look in the mirror...
You think mods support is a huge thing that's worth considering this entire version a downgrade when it's in fact a sidegrade. There's no denying that for most people the better online aspect of this version alone is worth it considering an upgrade and not a downgrade. The people that consider it a downgrade are people who mod the game (again, not that many people).
About the mods being pre-installed, what tells you this new version won't also have them pre-installed on consoles? We still don't know that.
The Steam version may have gamepad support using Steam input. But it definitely isn't intuitive for most people buying it. I mean, I didn't even know it was a thing until you mentioned it. And yes, mouse and keyboard will always be objetively better due to all of the complexity it has. But once again, playing with that in local multiplayer is not the best. Gamepad support, along with showing the controls in a comfortable way in the Settings, is mostly for that.
For you, mods are something very important and that's fine. But for most people it's not worth the hassle and, instead, they'd prefer something like the museum aspect of the game. For those people, for that alone is also an upgrade.
"You can watch that on YouTube"
Well you can mod it on PC with that same logic. Also that doesn't apply to the 8-bit game.
"Something isn't a sidegrade because of minor upsides"
I can assure you the online aspect is not a "minor upside". Getting to play this game online is not the best. So making that not arcaic will definitely not be a "minor upside".
And again, if you want effectively the exact same thing as the console version BUT on PC then you can also play World Party Remastered, which does everything that base WA does but has a lot more to offer. Don't let the name fool you, it really is just an upgraded version of Armageddon under the skin (except for missing mod support)
That's kind of the issue, you're inserting subjective external circumstances as part of what the game is. The controller support on Steam is about just as good if not better due to complete remapping support, you just have to actually pick up your controller. So this is not something I can accept as objective upsides of the console version, because other than the fact that there is a knowledge gap due to misinformation or other such issues, it's not a missing feature. If that's part of it you might start including other things such as "I have to know that I need to install Steam first so that's a downside", it's just a strange argument to me
Yes, objetively PC will always be superior in terms of controller support because of its configuration. But not in terms of conveniency. Just being able to go to the options and see the controls, instead of needing to go to the Steam interface or a guide that shows the controls, is better for the general audience.
So yes. For me, it's better that the general audience will have these features in a more convenient way. That makes it objetively better, at least for me. And although no mods is definitely a big thing, I don't think there are any that aren't Project X (which doesn't even work with the latest version) that change the game enough to make it THAT different of an experience from the base game.