Worms Armageddon vs Worms W.M.D

[Mati Blaster]

Worms Armageddon
Pros
+ It's WA :D, the best Worms installment
+ custom maps, graves, fanfares, speechbanks and flags
+ classic landscape editor
+ huge custom map base on WMDB site
+ 93% positive reviews
+ fan-support - mods and updates
+ 30 terrain themes
+ Bazooka bug and Cluster Bomb bug which can be helpful
+ Price (15€ WA vs 30€ W.M.D)
+ Replay files, each match is automatically saved and archivized
+ WormNET is not integrated with Steam server so Steam players can play against GOG players (yes, WA is on GOG), CD players and Pirate players...

Cons
- ... but You can't invite your Steam friend beacuse "Invite" button is unavailable in Steam overlay
- and Steam Cloud is also not supported
- You have to use HostingBuddy or WormNAT 2 if you want other people join to your lobby
- You have to "know rules"
- The game can't randomly place 48 worms beacuse map is quite small
- No ranked mode
- No in-game tutorial

Worms W.M.D
Pros
+ Almost like old WA with additional features
+ Physics similar to WA
+ Vehicles
+ Buildings
+ Crafting
+ New cool weapons like Mischevious Drone, Unwanted Present, OMG Satelite or Phone Battery
+ You don't have to use these new features if you don't want to
+ Larger maps, game can place 48 worms randomly without problems
+ in-game Fort Mode
+ it has tutorial
+ better online experience for rookies. You don't have to "know rules", you don't have to use text commands or use a mod to create and manage lobby where everyone can join
+ lot of maps and hats in Steam Workshop
+ Steam Cloud, play game with your saved in-game progress on another PC
+ You can set grenade fuse to 6 seconds
+ You can invite Steam friends by "Invite" button in Steam overlay
+ Banana Bomb and Ming Vase are OP, it can take 400+ HP
+ BlowTorch can dig down like a Drill
+ Super Sheep is Aqua Sheep, just put Super Sheep to the water and it will change to Aqua Sheep
+ Sheep On A Rope from Worms The Director's Cut
+ You can choose between modern (WASD) and classic (arrow buttons) controls setting
+ Ranked Matchmaking

Cons
-... but only 1v1
- No custom graves, fanfares, forts and speechbanks
- Less scheme options, you can't set precentage of crate drops of each weapon, only "On" and "Off", or you can't set random mine fuse
- 8 terrain themes (without including Fort Mode Theme)
- No classic landscape editor, only Workshop tool, and need image from GIMP
- No Dragon Ball, Pneumatic Drill and Petrol Bomb
- No fan-made and mods
- No replay files
- Ming Vase, Minigun, Mine Strike, Kamiakze, Super Banana Bomb and Sheep Launcher are only craftable
- higher system requirements, I don't recommend this game if you have Intel HD Graphics
- but recommended requirements are inflated, I have a laptop which doesn't meet recommend requirements and work with even 100+ FPS, so you have to have just Nvidia or AMD graphics
- Game doesn't work on Windows XP and Vista, Windows 7 or newer required
- mouse sensitivity bugs when framerate is over 60 FPS, at least on Windows 10 Anniversary Update
- Team17 didn't make the half of the promises from 2017 Roadmap including more classic weapons
- No cross-play between Steam and GOG players (delete GOG version Team17)
- 79% positive reviews
- Drone has been nerfed in the most recent Wormhole Update

Let's discuss about it

[5M0k1N]

no discussion needed. armageddon all the way :p
i mean most of the cons you listed just affect new players.

[Sztywny]

Armageddon still best!

[Obn3g0n]

Originally posted by 5M0k1N:

no discussion needed. armageddon all the way :p
i mean most of the cons you listed just affect new players.

I think this is a bad comparison which has been beaten into the ground. WA is a far superior game. WMD offers more eye candy but a shallower experience that is better for noobs but quickly becomes boring.

You missed most of my main pros for WA. Off the top of my head and probably forgetting important things:
-Custom weapons/utilities/scripting/game logic with ProjectX. Almost anything that seems like it's missing from WA can be added using ProjectX - it is extremely powerful. Interactive maps, gravity zones, set starting points, custom-designed weapon emplacements, etc. There's vehicles, an underwater swimsuit, hang glider, hover board, etc. Probably close to 100 quality user-made weapons and other things (like different oil barrel types) ready to play. Easy automatic sharing (and caching) of all creations when you join someone who hosts a ProjectX game.

-Far more customization (can adjust weapon power, game options, to make more game-types possible with different objectives than simply killing). WMD sorely lacks defensive type weapons or the ability to control which weapons appear in crates or crafting.

-Way fewer restrictions on customization without arbitrarily defined ranges. For example you can have 255 mines or oil barrels, and fine-tune the numbers of any option (if not in game than with external scheme editors). You're not stuck choosing between 15, 30, 45 or 60 for anything.

-Better physics (WMD is a poor imitation with a buggy rope, worse jumping etc)

-Replay files (easily shareable with tiny file size). Hugely important feature that enables external leagues. All your games are automatically recorded and archived, so you never miss anything. You don't have to use external recorders with their correspondingly huge difficult-to-share file sizes. In-game ranking stinks because you only get one game-type which relies on Team17's nonexistent knowledge of the game for balancing. Built-in tools to extract logs, maps, schemes, and frames (for video-making).

-Almost zero bugs and tons of small improvements made over the years.

-Tons of other 3rd party creations that make the game better (Rubberworm, SuperFrontendHD, D3D9Wnd, Great Snooper, SchemeEddy, worms2d.info, wmdb, wsdb, etc). With D3D9wnd you can watch the game on one monitor while doing other things on another screen.

-Still in (slow) development by dedicated passionate people and still has active online multiplayer. It will almost certainly outlive Worms WMD.

-Better animations and overall slicker experience. Everything is pixel-perfect, fewer things waste time. The menus are more efficient. Lack of console-itis.


As for some of your WA cons:

-WA is able to place 48 worms randomly. You just need a big enough map, or more specifically a map with enough acceptable placement locations. The worms can't auto-place closer than about an inch from each other. Maps can be downright enormous if you want, up to about 30000 pixels square - larger than WMD by far, and it's more possible to adjust the game settings to make use of that map space.

-You don't need WormNAT2 or HostingBuddy if you just forward your hosting port on your router. If you don't want to do that, WormNAT2 is the easiest one-time 5-second fix you could ever hope for.

Preaching to the choir..

[Mati Blaster]

Originally posted by Obn3g0n:

Originally posted by 5M0k1N:

no discussion needed. armageddon all the way :p
i mean most of the cons you listed just affect new players.

I think this is a bad comparison which has been beaten into the ground. WA is a far superior game. WMD offers more eye candy but a shallower experience that is better for noobs but quickly becomes boring.

You missed most of my main pros for WA. Off the top of my head and probably forgetting important things:
-Custom weapons/utilities/scripting/game logic with ProjectX. Almost anything that seems like it's missing from WA can be added using ProjectX - it is extremely powerful. Interactive maps, gravity zones, set starting points, custom-designed weapon emplacements, etc. There's vehicles, an underwater swimsuit, hang glider, hover board, etc. Probably close to 100 quality user-made weapons and other things (like different oil barrel types) ready to play. Easy automatic sharing (and caching) of all creations when you join someone who hosts a ProjectX game.
-Tons of other 3rd party creations that make the game better (Rubberworm, SuperFrontendHD, D3D9Wnd, Great Snooper, SchemeEddy, worms2d.info, wmdb, wsdb, etc). With D3D9wnd you can watch the game on one monitor while doing other things on another screen.

I don't missed this. All of these is counted to "fan-support - mods and updates" pro

[76561198417255678]

Originally posted by Mati Blaster broken phone:

Originally posted by Obn3g0n:

I think this is a bad comparison which has been beaten into the ground. WA is a far superior game. WMD offers more eye candy but a shallower experience that is better for noobs but quickly becomes boring.

You missed most of my main pros for WA. Off the top of my head and probably forgetting important things:
-Custom weapons/utilities/scripting/game logic with ProjectX. Almost anything that seems like it's missing from WA can be added using ProjectX - it is extremely powerful. Interactive maps, gravity zones, set starting points, custom-designed weapon emplacements, etc. There's vehicles, an underwater swimsuit, hang glider, hover board, etc. Probably close to 100 quality user-made weapons and other things (like different oil barrel types) ready to play. Easy automatic sharing (and caching) of all creations when you join someone who hosts a ProjectX game.
-Tons of other 3rd party creations that make the game better (Rubberworm, SuperFrontendHD, D3D9Wnd, Great Snooper, SchemeEddy, worms2d.info, wmdb, wsdb, etc). With D3D9wnd you can watch the game on one monitor while doing other things on another screen.

I don't missed this. All of these is counted to "fan-support - mods and updates" pro

♥♥♥♥ yeah

[GT4tube]

New are ♥♥♥♥

Armageddon is best. (- The game can't randomly place 48 worms beacuse map is quite small) it's not you need make custom huge map are fine. trash default map, get custom maps lol.

ARMAGEDDON FTW

[Mati Blaster]

Originally posted by GT4tube😼:

New are ♥♥♥♥

Armageddon is best. (- The game can't randomly place 48 worms beacuse map is quite small) it's not you need make custom huge map are fine. trash default map, get custom maps lol.

ARMAGEDDON FTW

Then I'm Armageddon noob. I'm getting rekt by experienced players and WA has only pros

[momci osobne.]

This thread is a spam and should be threated like one.
In the future, ask constructive questions, pls.

[76561198417255678]

well team 17 i mean worms wmd for free to play

[✦✩★LukegaX★✩✦]

WA is the best