Marina is definitely a woman (with in-game proofs)

[LegAz]

While sitting in discord with my friend, he told me that Marina is being crucified backwards to player pov (after being grabbed by the throat by the priest in mayor's manor). He said this was the proof of her being actually a man. I didn't believe him and we went to investigate which one of us is right.

So, we've managed to clarify that despite my skepticism Marina is really crucified differently from any other female contestants, but alas (for femboy lovers), when being saved by August and lying naked on the ground, Marina's body look quite similar to other female contestants (Abella specifically since we've compared Marina with her) with her breast cut off and groin area untouched (unlike the male contestants who have bloody mess left there). That is the only objective fact that determines that she's a woman (because her fathers talk is just talk).

Proofs:

Marina's injured and naked body[i.imgur.com]
Abella's injured and naked body[i.imgur.com]
Marcoh's injured and naked body[i.imgur.com]

[Mementocity]

schrodinger's trap

[Sasalnic]

yeah, whatever

[Leonardo Trapovich]

People being so in the closet they desperately want to turn a boy trans and delete the ♥♥♥♥ You just like a dude in a dress - it's not that hard(unlike me when i see Marina) lmao

[LegAz]

Originally posted by Feadship:

It's not like anyone here expects deranged Moonscorched villagers to check the gender of the clearly female presenting character in a time where gay men got chemically castrated for what civilized society considered 'Indecency.'

First of all, it's obvious that moonscorched villagers are not behind the crucifixion. If you don't believe me, you can just watch character death scene after being defeated by villagers and brought to the pigs so they can feast on you (I think you also need to be defeated near the gates area with the pipe wielding one).

Secondly, it would be naive to believe that the priest, who clearly cuts off what he sees (considering he is a mad by your logic) for some reason cuts off UNEXISTING breasts and leaves d.ck untouched. Why not to cut EVERYTHING then? Because I don't remember Prison Guards in F&H1 caring about your gender while ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you in one of the cells in difference with priest who clearly imo knows what he's doing.

Thirdly, you won't believe me, but you can actually have a sensible talk with most of the villagers (with other NPCs too, except the non-hostile ones). They clearly understand what is going on with the festival and you can even try to persuade them to stop following the orders of the Moon and therefore force them to hesitate in their attacks. Yet I can understand why you were unaware of this. I too was very skeptical towards the talk skill considering the game showed it's meaningless in the very first fight by telling you that your "words die in vain" no matter what you say (even if you play as Karina and have persuasion skill selected in the character history).

Here's the video if you're interested in talk skill usage on all enemies.

[LegAz]

lmao

[rion]

trans women are women.

[Rezardi]

cool story

[Leonardo Trapovich]

Originally posted by rion:

trans women are women.

Feminine men aren't trans and it's wrong to force them to be.
You are acting like the society that forced Marina into that whole situation - "be a woman or die" was his choice and his mother saved him.

[rion]

Originally posted by Leonardo Trapovich:

Originally posted by rion:

trans women are women.

Feminine men aren't trans and it's wrong to force them to be.
You are acting like the society that forced Marina into that whole situation - "be a woman or die" was his choice and his mother saved him.

regardless of whether or not they were forced into it due to societal issues, she is currently presenting and identifying as a woman, as far as we know. misgendering her is disrespectful to her as a character and whoever wrote her.

also iirc, it was quoted somewhere that the developer of this game said that "marina has no confusion about her gender", and while I can't say for sure whether that is a real statement, disregarding it would still be disrespectful.

[Mauman]

Once you're done circlejerking yourself off, can we just let this topic DIE?

[rion]

Originally posted by Mauman:

Once you're done circlejerking yourself off, can we just let this topic DIE?

no.

[Greemann]

Originally posted by rion:

regardless of whether or not they were forced into it due to societal issues, she is currently presenting and identifying as a woman, as far as we know. misgendering her is disrespectful to her as a character and whoever wrote her.

> Theorizing on an ambiguous character's gender is disrespectul to said imaginary character.

Yeah sure, that's reasonable

[peep]

Shes trans get over it

[rion]

Originally posted by Greemann:

Originally posted by rion:

regardless of whether or not they were forced into it due to societal issues, she is currently presenting and identifying as a woman, as far as we know. misgendering her is disrespectful to her as a character and whoever wrote her.

> Theorizing on an ambiguous character's gender is disrespectul to said imaginary character.

Yeah sure, that's reasonable

intentionally misgendering and theorizing are two different things. there is nothing wrong with theorizing or discussing an ambiguously gendered character, you are correct. i never said that was not the case.

[King Ballsmear]

isn't the lore for marina that he was transformed as a kid in a sylvian ritual or some ♥♥♥♥ into a woman's body. I'm just sad that there's such a discrepancy between the amount of male and female characters because of Marina.