Let us play German snipers!

[Bartzabel]

We also want to play on the German side so give it to us!

[cplan40]

this is included in the game, its part of the invasion mode

[Shoah Kahn]

The bald co-op character looks to be a "zi German". Herman Wolf should be bought back, and we need a "frau" as well...

[z4v3k]

That goes against the American propaganda system.

[Shoah Kahn]

^ You're not wrong... Albeit, the game is made by a British developer. Then again, the U. K. has even stricter laws against "re-interpretations" of the "official narrative" of WWII, due to the lack of a constitution and entrained freedom of speech / expression of thought... Didn't they jail that David Irving guy? 🤔

[Baba Yaga (RTS)]

Playing as a german or japanese Special Commando would be cool. Quite boring that every WW2 game has the same "direction"

[Bartzabel]

Baba Yaga (GER) lähetti viestin:

Playing as a german or japanese Special Commando would be cool. Quite boring that every WW2 game has the same "direction"

Really good idea!

[Drummer Si]

Shoah Kahn lähetti viestin:

^ You're not wrong... Albeit, the game is made by a British developer. Then again, the U. K. has even stricter laws against "re-interpretations" of the "official narrative" of WWII, due to the lack of a constitution and entrained freedom of speech / expression of thought... Didn't they jail that David Irving guy? 🤔

Stop spreading misinformation. No laws like that exist in the UK. You can create any fictional works you like - Including alternative timelines for historical events. David Irving has been arrested multiple times OUTSIDE of the UK for being a piece of ♥♥♥♥ and claiming Hitler was not involved in the holocaust/ didn't murder millions of people based on race and religion

[Shoah Kahn]

^ The U. K. and France have literal laws dictating that one cannot re-interpret the "official narrative" of the goings-on of WWII -- that is a fact. Irrespective of what Irving's takes were, he was vilified for nothing but voicing his opinions. I'd bet you a shiny, new, Trump-Cyrus half-shekel (I have ten) that no game could be made that had a different take on WWII, and it not be vilified, if not outright banned in parts of Europe (*namely, Germany); no matter how much of a "fictional work" it clearly was. Hence, no German snipers / Axis campaign.

Heck, didn't they even remove actual iconography from the previous game/s?... I'm certain I saw a video lambasting that decision. Even "Nazi Zombie Army" got re-branded "Zombie Army"... Marie's "Undercover" getup in ZA4 sported only a generic, red armband, instead of the "reverse Buddhist" (I used that term so the comment wouldn't get flagged) -- in a game is as high fantasy fiction as one could ever conceive.

So... Yeah, nah. It's about the noli me tangere placed on the victors' presentation of historical events, dovetailed with lay, unread populace's inculcation and resultant autonomic aversion to anything that even slightly deviates from said narrative (see: events taking place from Q1 2020 onward, for an analogy to this psychological phenomenon); resulting in lopsided takes on associated entertainment. All things being equal, after so many games in the SE series, spanning two decades, even encompassing zombies and magic, we should today be at the point of playing every faction, including Russian conscripts; not just the same, hackneyed Allied protagonists ad nauseum. The irony of events which few today were even alive in the time off, still be treated with kit gloves, should not be lost on people playing fantastical video game interpretations thereof.

I wonder if a "SE: Japan" would allow players to play as the Imperial Japanese; or in a "SE: Vietnam", the Viet Kong... 🙄

[bluefalcon74.ttv]

Drummer Si lähetti viestin:

for being a piece of ♥♥♥♥ and claiming Hitler was not involved in the holocaust/ didn't murder millions of people based on race and religion

Neither of which are illegal in any rational country.

[Shin Happens]

Shoah Kahn lähetti viestin:

^ The U. K. and France have literal laws dictating that one cannot re-interpret the "official narrative" of the goings-on of WWII -- that is a fact.

Do yourself a huge favour... google the novel "Fatherland" by BRITISH author Robert Harris. Or just look it up on Wikipedia. Your mind may be blown ;-)

Also, in what ways would you "re-interpret" WW II??? That Poland invaded Germany first and Germany merely retaliated? What is there to re-interpret about Blitzkrieg in Poland, France, invasion of Russia, the Blitz and mass genocide? While WW I is not as clear cut, and many agree that Germany was unfairly singled out as the main villain in WW I (because they lost of course) and that the Versailles treaty was overly harsh and probably contributed to the rise of Hitler later, WW II has no nuance to it, Germany was the villain, they attacked unprovoked, they mass murdered literal millions. What is there to re-interpret? Please tell...

Also, google freedom of speech vs freedom of expression (what people have in Europe). In most "rational countries" freedom of speech ends when it hurts or abuses other people.

The issue with Nazi iconography in earlier SE games was that Germany is a big market for these games and until not too long ago usage of Nazi iconography in video games was illegal in Germany (any usage really, even for WW II model kits), some games had specific versions just made for Germany, with all offending things patched out, Rebellion either lacked the funds or will to do that.

But ever since the laws were changed (video games are now allowed to use these symbols if they do not glorify Nazis, just like the movies or any other work of art) Sniper Elite uses all the symbols, beginning with SE5, Resistance has them too of course.

About David Irving, he could and did freely spread his nonsense in his native UK... but Holocaust denial is a literal crime in Germany for apparent reasons, he was found guilty of that in Germany and subsequently barred from ever entering Germany by a court. Other countries then barred him from entering as well... Canada eventually arrested him and promptly deported him to the UK. He was not "jailed" ever though, especially not in his native UK. He even appeared on tv in the UK etc.

You could easily google all these things for yourself. It is so easy to educate yourself in this day and age.

[The Power]

The trumpanzees will love that

[brett bunsen]

Shoah Kahn lähetti viestin:

^ The U. K. and France have literal laws dictating that one cannot re-interpret the "official narrative" of the goings-on of WWII -- that is a fact. Irrespective of what Irving's takes were, he was vilified for nothing but voicing his opinions.

the victors' presentation of historical events, dovetailed with lay, unread populace's inculcation and resultant autonomic aversion to anything that even slightly deviates from said narrative

Those laws exist because Nazi's used lies and misinformation to both justify their positions and attract larger audiences through appeals to emotion rather than reason.

There is no 'narrative' behind the most documented war/time period in history; there are just a bunch of ignorant and/or disingenuous people who actively ignore documented facts to spread misinformation and justify their heinous positions.

[Cl0udyyBeatzz]

Bartzabel lähetti viestin:

We also want to play on the German side so give it to us!

sus

[󠁳󠁳⁧⁧ 󠁳⁧⁧ 󠀡]

"you will fight the germans and you will be happy"

[Bartzabel]

󠁳󠁳⁧⁧ 󠁳⁧⁧ 󠀡 lähetti viestin:

"you will fight the germans and you will be happy"

I want to fight on both sides