Speculation on Wars

[Arcanestomper]

So the latest soldier's guide to the infinite sea just went up, and it seems to be an excerpt for an in universe war game detailing important historical generals that can be used as brigade generals. The only two that seem pertinent to the next game are Castermaigne and Pallis on the Wulfram and Royal sides respectively. Everyone else is from the Antar war or too old to be in the civil war.

Obviously the MC doesn't get a slot because there are too many possible varieties, but it got me thinking about who else might play an important role in the civil war. Lefebvre of course because even with his injuries he can still command a brigade. And then Wulfram's cousin whose name I can't remember off the top of my head.

There's also Hawthorne who didn't really come up in this game, but I'm sure will be back next game. But I can't really think of anyone else on the Wulfram side. Possibly because I haven't done a Wulfram playthrough.

Anyone else have ideas for the important generals on either side.

[Elysian]

Havenport, either the duke or Marcus, if they get their house in order long enough to head north would most likely be important Royalist generals seeing as the Duke and Marcus are the Queen's uncles. And do not have Cunaris' (Wulfram's father in law) reasoning for sitting out.

[Supply Slut]

Originally posted by Elysian:

Havenport, either the duke or Marcus, if they get their house in order long enough to head north would most likely be important Royalist generals seeing as the Duke and Marcus are the Queen's uncles. And do not have Cunaris' (Wulfram's father in law) reasoning for sitting out.

I suspect Cunaris and co will be sitting out and a major plot point will be either bringing them into the fold or neutralizing them in the next game.

[Arcanestomper]

I figure Cunaris is going to be a non issue regardless. Not only did the Wulfram mansion break him, but you are literally commanding his regiment now. Now Renard might be an issue. He's still a good officer, and he got pulled away with his father before he could make his loyalties clear in either direction.

Kind of a side point, but I was just reading the soldier's guide and canonically Cazarosta is a Major. That means canonically the MC lead the forlorn hope. It's one of the few things that is actually nailed down about him.

[Elysian]

Cunaris still, probably, has the money and resources to raise a new regiment if he wanted to as he is a duke. Though, I would not be surprised if he declares neutrality and we have a part in the next one with trying to convince him to take a side.

[Arcanestomper]

I meant more as an active military officer. He does have the resources to raise a new regiment, and even all the recruits cazarosta didn't bring. But I doubt he'll actively command them. Instead leaving that to his son.

[Zeekay980]

Squiring Renard into a knight without making him an enemy will almost certainly have him join you regardless of which side you chose.

[PandaCraventail]

The civil war will most likely be something close to what we have irl, with two major power at play, no doubt a proxy war will be happening. The only different is that unlike Wulfram who is pretty much a puppet of Takara, the crown isn't fully in hand with Kian.

[aries-rising]

I just hope we don't have to wait 7 years for another entry. This one was so amazing, I really hope he expands the fief management system I felt like we didn't get enough time with in despite it being amazing. It is also hard to actually develop it in meaningful ways unless you have insane amounts of money, which I understand there are ways to get but it draws you to the capital rather than being at your estate (Where I personally found most of the enjoyment in this game). I hope we can have it become a massive profitable town/city.

[Physical_Remover]

Originally posted by Zeekay980:

Squiring Renard into a knight without making him an enemy will almost certainly have him join you regardless of which side you chose.

Sure hope so, otherwise mentoring him and the whole estate path in gerenal would be pretty much pointless.

[stm8022]

Originally posted by Arcanestomper:

Kind of a side point, but I was just reading the soldier's guide and canonically Cazarosta is a Major. That means canonically the MC lead the forlorn hope. It's one of the few things that is actually nailed down about him.

To the contrary, intelligence report on Cazarosta (https://cataphrak.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/october_update.jpg) specifically mentions he's been promoted Major "after participating in the Forlorn Hope (..) in 609". So canonically he was there no matter if the MC also took part in it or not.

[Arcanestomper]

Originally posted by stm8022:

Originally posted by Arcanestomper:

Kind of a side point, but I was just reading the soldier's guide and canonically Cazarosta is a Major. That means canonically the MC lead the forlorn hope. It's one of the few things that is actually nailed down about him.

To the contrary, intelligence report on Cazarosta (https://cataphrak.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/october_update.jpg) specifically mentions he's been promoted Major "after participating in the Forlorn Hope (..) in 609". So canonically he was there no matter if the MC also took part in it or not.

No, that's my point. If the MC doesn't take part, then Cazarosta never gets the promotion to major. He was there. He just doesn't get promoted. It's a sore point for him. The only way he gets promoted to Major is if you participate in the forlorn hope with him.

[stm8022]

Originally posted by Arcanestomper:

No, that's my point. If the MC doesn't take part, then Cazarosta never gets the promotion to major. He was there. He just doesn't get promoted. It's a sore point for him. The only way he gets promoted to Major is if you participate in the forlorn hope with him.

As far as i can tell this is incorrect -- Cazarosta lead Forlorn Hope in my game all on his own, but he is a Major in my playthrough of Lords which picked up that game state. Perhaps without MC taking part it takes longer for promotion to happen (much like it takes months if not years for him to receive a medal for earlier actions) but it happens nevertheless.

[Arcanestomper]

Cazarosta has to be in line with the same rank as the player. If you don't participate in the forlorn hope, but you buy your way to major. Then there is a silent check to promote Cazarosta in the beginning of the game. He can however still be a captain if you are despite participating in the forlorn hope either way.

[stm8022]

Hmm peeking in the game code i'd say it works slightly different:

*if crank != "major"
  *set crank "captain"
  *if ((chap5_forlorn = 0) and (rank = "major"))
    *set crank "major"

Translating, Cazarosta gets (potentially) promoted to captain if he's not already a major in the imported game. Then, if he was the only one who participated in Forlorn hope --and only then-- he gets promoted to major as long as the player is also a major (through buying commission) in the imported game.

In other words, if player and Cazarosta take Forlorn Hope together that'd actually prevent Cazarosta from becoming a major, if he doesn't get such promotion in Guns.

[Arcanestomper]

Originally posted by stm8022:

Hmm peeking in the game code i'd say it works slightly different:

*if crank != "major"
  *set crank "captain"
  *if ((chap5_forlorn = 0) and (rank = "major"))
    *set crank "major"

Translating, Cazarosta gets (potentially) promoted to captain if he's not already a major in the imported game. Then, if he was the only one who participated in Forlorn hope --and only then-- he gets promoted to major as long as the player is also a major (through buying commission) in the imported game.

In other words, if player and Cazarosta take Forlorn Hope together that'd actually prevent Cazarosta from becoming a major, if he doesn't get such promotion in Guns.

He gets a promotion to major automatically if both of you take part in the forlorn hope. That was the deal, and with you also getting the promotion the army can't back out of it because he's a deathborn.