Ifrit Can't Break IR lock with Flares?

[KCwasHere]

Can dump all my flares at idle and still cant break the lock. Anyone else having this issue? Feature and game balanced to do this or bugged? I rarely get into Ifrit because of this.

[Cleric 110]

Ifrit seems to be "hotter" than most others to me as well, but I've been managing to shake IR with flares so far.

[JustaRedKia]

for maximum efficiency for the flares make sure your throttle is down as much as possible and try to have the missile aimed at your side

[IxianMace]

I haven't had any issues breaking IR missiles' locks in the KR-67.

[Tsarmac]

Yeah, like Radar missile make sure to notch a bit to the side where your heat signature is lowest and make sure to pull into a turn, I've had a few moments like you and this is what I found to work so far if you're really struggling to break a missile lock

[Battleoid]

Originally posted by IxianMace:

I haven't had any issues breaking IR missiles' locks in the KR-67.

Good for you. It definitely runs hotter than other planes, which makes it far more difficult to defend against IRs, and occasionally there are times where I'll be notching an IR missile, throttle at 2% for upwards of 10 seconds, and proceed to dump every last flare, and the missile never loses lock for a second. It's not often, maybe only happens a few times in 30 minutes, but its certainly noticeable.

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

Originally posted by Battleoid:

Originally posted by IxianMace:

I haven't had any issues breaking IR missiles' locks in the KR-67.

Good for you. It definitely runs hotter than other planes, which makes it far more difficult to defend against IRs, and occasionally there are times where I'll be notching an IR missile, throttle at 2% for upwards of 10 seconds, and proceed to dump every last flare, and the missile never loses lock for a second. It's not often, maybe only happens a few times in 30 minutes, but its certainly noticeable.

How do you 'notch' an infrared seeker?

Notching refers to tricking a *radar-guided* missile by running perpendicular to the seeker so that your aircraft appears to be neither approaching nor retreating in relation to background clutter. As a result, your aircraft slips into a narrow 'notch' of rejected velocities in the doppler range of the seeker, at which point it dismisses you as more clutter. (And it generally works better if you're down load IN the ground clutter, not up in the sky where you're literally the only thing sending a return).


Meanwhile, an IR missile is 'where the heat at? I see the heat! Gimme dat heat!' Essentially, someone installed the brain of a moth as the seeker computer for the missile. It sees heat, it chases heat.

If you're trying to lose an IR missile, you don't notch, you turn towards the missile so that your exhaust plume is HIDDEN behind your fuselage while cutting throttle to reduce it, and then offset your nose enough you don't RAM the missile head-on. THEN you pop a bunch of flares and let that missile chase them down.

You 'notch' an IR missile and you're just presenting it with the side profile of the hot gasses coming out of your engines.

[IxianMace]

Originally posted by Battleoid:

Originally posted by IxianMace:

I haven't had any issues breaking IR missiles' locks in the KR-67.

Good for you. It definitely runs hotter than other planes, which makes it far more difficult to defend against IRs, and occasionally there are times where I'll be notching an IR missile, throttle at 2% for upwards of 10 seconds, and proceed to dump every last flare, and the missile never loses lock for a second. It's not often, maybe only happens a few times in 30 minutes, but its certainly noticeable.

I don't know whether the Ifrit actually runs 'hotter' for the purposes of evading IR missiles (you'd have to get a developer to reveal the technical details of that). I've had plenty of IR missiles fired at me and I've never run into a situation where I've dumped almost all my flares from being full while idling the engines and still got hit. I'm not denying your experiences; I'm wondering what's going on here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZav8nYReBgt=3711

I generally don't use the afterburner unless I feel it's really necessary. The Ifrit's engines are so powerful anyway even if you only use military power.

[SonukYildiz]

bring the throttle to 0, make sure the missile isn't seekimg your rear aspect, make a hard turn while popping 5-7 flares, voila!

[Battleoid]

Originally posted by AdmiralTigerclaw:

Originally posted by Battleoid:

Good for you. It definitely runs hotter than other planes, which makes it far more difficult to defend against IRs, and occasionally there are times where I'll be notching an IR missile, throttle at 2% for upwards of 10 seconds, and proceed to dump every last flare, and the missile never loses lock for a second. It's not often, maybe only happens a few times in 30 minutes, but its certainly noticeable.

How do you 'notch' an infrared seeker?

Notching refers to tricking a *radar-guided* missile by running perpendicular to the seeker so that your aircraft appears to be neither approaching nor retreating in relation to background clutter. As a result, your aircraft slips into a narrow 'notch' of rejected velocities in the doppler range of the seeker, at which point it dismisses you as more clutter. (And it generally works better if you're down load IN the ground clutter, not up in the sky where you're literally the only thing sending a return).


Meanwhile, an IR missile is 'where the heat at? I see the heat! Gimme dat heat!' Essentially, someone installed the brain of a moth as the seeker computer for the missile. It sees heat, it chases heat.

If you're trying to lose an IR missile, you don't notch, you turn towards the missile so that your exhaust plume is HIDDEN behind your fuselage while cutting throttle to reduce it, and then offset your nose enough you don't RAM the missile head-on. THEN you pop a bunch of flares and let that missile chase them down.

You 'notch' an IR missile and you're just presenting it with the side profile of the hot gasses coming out of your engines.

When I say "notching" I meant what you said, turning towards the missile in order to get my engines away from it without flying directly at it. Sometimes that works, occasionally the IR just simply ignores all 64 flares even as my aircraft is falling out of the air because I've had throttle cut for so long Ive lost all airspeed. Like I said, its not all the time, but occasionally one of those IR missiiles apparently has big J guiding it in.

[Battleoid]

Originally posted by IxianMace:

Originally posted by Battleoid:

Good for you. It definitely runs hotter than other planes, which makes it far more difficult to defend against IRs, and occasionally there are times where I'll be notching an IR missile, throttle at 2% for upwards of 10 seconds, and proceed to dump every last flare, and the missile never loses lock for a second. It's not often, maybe only happens a few times in 30 minutes, but its certainly noticeable.

I don't know whether the Ifrit actually runs 'hotter' for the purposes of evading IR missiles (you'd have to get a developer to reveal the technical details of that). I've had plenty of IR missiles fired at me and I've never run into a situation where I've dumped almost all my flares from being full while idling the engines and still got hit. I'm not denying your experiences; I'm wondering what's going on here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZav8nYReBgt=3711

I generally don't use the afterburner unless I feel it's really necessary. The Ifrit's engines are so powerful anyway even if you only use military power.

It almost certainly runs hotter, I can pop two flares in a cricket at full throttle and instantly break a lock even coming from behind probably bout 80% of the time, if those first two pops dont work I throttle back and turn towards it and 2 more flares does the job. Compare that to the Ifrit or Revoker, and I need 10 or more flares to do the same trick.

[Delta Dagger]

Drop back on the throttle and dump flares. It'll work, but at a certain range? You won't be able to drop enough flares to spoof the missile. If it's launched close enough, it's a guaranteed hit.