How to play?

[Milk]

I constantly die and can't control my plane I play war thunder and have played DCS and other games similar this is the hardest one I have played as I can not for the life of me figure out basic doge or survival skills. the tutorial teaches you nothing. The game itself is hell. spawn die spawn die. you can get sniped from a 50 cal on a tank at 3000 meters in the air. Everyone is praising this game. I don't understand what I am even doing wrong and there is nothing to help me figure this out. I can't even fight a enemy aircraft or a ground target because my allies just take my kill and shoot me in the process. any tips or help?

[plateofshrimp]

I think you’re playing Battlefield 4

[Milk]

Originally posted by Awakened Old God:

I think you’re playing Battlefield 4

That's really what it feels like man. I don't understand how anyone enjoys it. I'm even trying to get into the US airforce right now for SF and even then after all the research on planes and aviation and ♥♥♥♥ over the years it means nothing to this game. tactics don't work or nothing.

[Deadpoetic6]

lol

[plateofshrimp]

Originally posted by Kenny The BoatGod:

Originally posted by Awakened Old God:

I think you’re playing Battlefield 4

That's really what it feels like man. I don't understand how anyone enjoys it. I'm even trying to get into the US airforce right now for SF and even then after all the research on planes and aviation and ♥♥♥♥ over the years it means nothing to this game. tactics don't work or nothing.

Are you guys really dying so much? By what?

Anti-air missiles? They tell you which kind it is in flashing letters when they lock on. It's either IR or Homing Radar (SARH). For IR, make your engine the less hottest thing in the area, so pop flares reduce throttle and turn perpendicular to the missile.

Radar missile? Get below 25 meters altitude they will drop tracking. Flares won't work on them. Sorry if ppl fly at 5,000 feet but you can't do that with radar AA in the region. Also there is a radar jammer button but I don't know if that works on missiles, only stations.

Obviously going behind terrain loses missiles. Its a game more about nape-of-the-earth attacking than high altitude dogfighting imo. Plan with the map where you can route towards a target behind terrain where you can get close enough to launch weapons and then retreat asap.

[A shit name for a shit player]

What that guy said. Hide behind the hills. The only way to evade a missile (that isn't some ♥♥♥♥♥♥ stinger, you can just outrun those lol) is with countermeasures or by making it crash into terrain.

For ARH:
- Don't try to notch+jam them. You technically can, but the angle is so small that it might as well be impossible.
- They usually miss when you fly below 20m. Usually. With the jammer, you can make them lose their lock completely, even if you fly a bit above 20m (don't know how high).
- If you're at high altitude with no nearby terrain when one gets launched at you, you're probably dead. Don't go high.
- They don't go active until they're 10km from you, so don't waste your jammer on a missile warning 20km away from you. It's guided via datalink, so hide behind the nearest hill until it stops beeping at you.

For IR:
- Flares don't work at full throttle unless you're flying the cricket or the helicopter. Set your throttle to zero, wait half a second, then spam flares. Otherwise you're just wasting them.
- If you know you're about to get into a fight, cut the throttle. No need to wait for the missile.
- Don't spam missiles unless you're engaging a bomber. One is enough for everything else.
- Don't launch missiles from far away. You'll run out of missiles before the other guy runs out of flares.
- Don't use flares when a missile is far away. More are probably on the way, so wait for one to get close and lose them all with a single burst of flares.
- Launch missiles from < 2km away for nearly guaranteed kills. Try to break line of sight as you approach, a lot of people fall for this. Basically jousting with missiles. The best way to not die to this is to cut your throttle beforehand and spam flares if you see a launch (don't wait for the warning, close range = always IR, ARH missiles take a while to start tracking). Or just go in a different direction and bring shame to your family by backing away from an honorable duel.

Either that, or just get into a bomber, plot a course to the enemy base and kamikaze it with 16 nuclear bombs. Can't get shot down if the other team only has helipads

[Milk]

As I have said I've tried tactics. These don't work somehow. Mfs can kill me at 2 feet off the ground behind 9 mountains. They couldn't care less about logic or physics. Flares don't do ♥♥♥♥ Automatically get killed the second seeing a enemy within 10km Pure pain. But thanks for both you guys giving some advice I was always lead to believe when locked onto a enemy you need to weave your flares out and make a huge shift as fast as possible. But that might just be older planes I barely know ♥♥♥♥ about ones made or used since probably the mid 2000s of 05 and 023 I might just be too old and stupid for how it all works out nowadays in games. I played a bit more too and was able to manage to actually fight enemy aircraft from a distance by staying low and simply staying near my AA allies. seems more effective to wait for the ground forces to push forward and help you rather then trust your own allies in the sky. They seem to help a lot when taking your kills and taking hits for you but the ground forces actually mean ♥♥♥♥ when it comes to fighting in general. I saw one battle tank? Maybe a type of Light vehicle or AA take out a few enemy tanks and then take out a few enemy jets. I found personally my best way to take out a helicopter alone is just to stay high then push down because if the chopper aims up he obviously fails to keep balance. Otherwise It's still a ♥♥♥♥ show. But I will use this advice next time I play. Probably need to research more about modern planes too at this point otherwise I'll be stuck using world war 1 and 2 tactics until the 9th world war and the F-2558

[King of Fists]

Biggest complaint so far being a DCS player is really just that things don't sit down as they should when they're filled with Vulcan rounds. Really, the cannon is just a suggestion.

[King of Fists]

Originally posted by Kenny The BoatGod:

I constantly die and can't control my plane I play war thunder and have played DCS and other games similar this is the hardest one I have played as I can not for the life of me figure out basic doge or survival skills. the tutorial teaches you nothing. The game itself is hell. spawn die spawn die. you can get sniped from a 50 cal on a tank at 3000 meters in the air. Everyone is praising this game. I don't understand what I am even doing wrong and there is nothing to help me figure this out. I can't even fight a enemy aircraft or a ground target because my allies just take my kill and shoot me in the process. any tips or help?

I'm going to give my likely-unwanted and maybe irrelevant advice as a DCS player on that because 9 times out of 10 most of my deaths are from not following the golden rule of ground attacking:

If you're on an attack run that takes you over an enemy on the ground, never fly in a straight line toward it. Good pilots always fly perpendicular or offset the path needed to make an attack, rolling in at the last second before using munition and leaving. Great pilots (Not me) make elliptical flight paths toward a target to where they're always banking, and that bank happens to intersect the attack path of the target which let's them drop bombs or use their gun and roll out.

Flying in a straight line toward an enemy on the ground of any kind, even a little guy with a pistol, is the vast majority of the reason any pilots die. If You ever fly on a path that makes a target on the ground appear stationary, you also appear stationary to them in the sky. And you're a LOT bigger target to them than they are to you.

Air combat? Eh, I just don't do it unless I'm in a fighter. Also unless I have a wingman. I think some great advice on the matter states "For air combat, Get a wingman, he has one too? Get two wingmen."

[sin_loki]

Originally posted by King of Fists:

Biggest complaint so far being a DCS player is really just that things don't sit down as they should when they're filled with Vulcan rounds. Really, the cannon is just a suggestion.

more damage coming soon

[Milk]

Sounds like good advice. I'll probably need to carry this over to other games like battlefield too. The strafing tactic. Never saw it that way but after seeing some air combat videos on you tube it's obvious now since you explained it.

Originally posted by King of Fists:

Originally posted by Kenny The BoatGod:

I constantly die and can't control my plane I play war thunder and have played DCS and other games similar this is the hardest one I have played as I can not for the life of me figure out basic doge or survival skills. the tutorial teaches you nothing. The game itself is hell. spawn die spawn die. you can get sniped from a 50 cal on a tank at 3000 meters in the air. Everyone is praising this game. I don't understand what I am even doing wrong and there is nothing to help me figure this out. I can't even fight a enemy aircraft or a ground target because my allies just take my kill and shoot me in the process. any tips or help?

I'm going to give my likely-unwanted and maybe irrelevant advice as a DCS player on that because 9 times out of 10 most of my deaths are from not following the golden rule of ground attacking:

If you're on an attack run that takes you over an enemy on the ground, never fly in a straight line toward it. Good pilots always fly perpendicular or offset the path needed to make an attack, rolling in at the last second before using munition and leaving. Great pilots (Not me) make elliptical flight paths toward a target to where they're always banking, and that bank happens to intersect the attack path of the target which let's them drop bombs or use their gun and roll out.

Flying in a straight line toward an enemy on the ground of any kind, even a little guy with a pistol, is the vast majority of the reason any pilots die. If You ever fly on a path that makes a target on the ground appear stationary, you also appear stationary to them in the sky. And you're a LOT bigger target to them than they are to you.

Air combat? Eh, I just don't do it unless I'm in a fighter. Also unless I have a wingman. I think some great advice on the matter states "For air combat, Get a wingman, he has one too? Get two wingmen."

Sounds like good advice. I'll probably need to carry this over to other games like battlefield too. The strafing tactic. Never saw it that way but after seeing some air combat videos on you tube it's obvious now since you explained it.

[Milk]

Btw for anyone curious I will keep this open as long as needed in case anyone else wants to add information or ask questions.

[King of Fists]

• Cannon shells no longer use proximity fuse when targeting armored units

Ohh, that was why they weren't hurting anything.