Team setup for level 100 achievement

[Ruud]

Got the level 100 achievement with a surprising team set up and wanted to share it. Played with 1) Medic, 2) Swat, 3) Pyro. Why surprising? I took team leader Medic to get the 1.000.000 chemical damage achievement but was going so well I took it over level 100 playing 50+ minutes. Played Endless mode on Isolated City with maximum points in training.

Medic: Focusing upgrading to chemical flask (for achievement) and Stimpack for boosts. Then upgraded everything else to max.
Swat: I got Swat after and upgraded to Sniper & Ricochet. I banished heli / turret / nades (I feel investing points vs damage output isnt worth it)
Pyro: Maxed out all, getting the Infernax weapon.

Picked the upgrades towards elemental & chemical damage, attack speed, crit chance, crit damage, weapon damage, movement speed, weapon reload reduction.

What made the combination nice was the Medic giving damage over time (later on not so good) plus a lot of survibility, mainly life steal + movement speed. Needed the revive 3-4 times.
The Swat is my guy to go for controlling the horde with Sniper + Ricochet. Dealing massive damage among the horde (crit build needed). Sniper did 50 million damage over ~30 minutes.
The Pyro also giving boosts towards movement speed + elemental damage. With the Infernax dealing high damage in melee range, the TNT for a little bit of kiting and ofcourse the fire damage.

I was surprised I got so far since this doesn't feel like a strong team but I managed to hold on quite well. Last few games I noticed that investing in movement speed is important for surviving. You can ofcourse outrun the horde, preventing being closed in, and if you are fast enough can even run through to them. You are to fast to hit. Not investing in movement speed is making you relatively slower since the horde is getting upgrades.

Last 5-10 minutes before death I started circling around the edge of the map since getting hit would mean loss of 50-60% of health only going in for boosts. Getting chests was harder.

What's your take on this?

[^DreeMax^]

Ruud님이 먼저 게시:

Still waiting for that medic team leader <45 minutes

So! Will child of sun grow some balls and accept his fate? Legends says he still have doubts (for some unknown reasons)!

Ruud님이 먼저 게시:

Dreemax, I dare you to put your money where your mouth is. Take Medic as teamleader + any 2 characters and get to lvl 100 <45 minutes and post it.

Let's increase the interest! What if I say I don`t really need anybody, but medic only? Come on kid! :D

[vladeemer]

^DreeMax^님이 먼저 게시:

Are you high or something? Yet to see any video from you anywhere.

Its hilarious you trying to act like a math wizard, but lets check simple numbers.
We got SWAT, Medic & Engineer team, with 270% XP buff, finished race to level 100 at 35:49. Zombies killed 16226.

vladeemer님이 먼저 게시:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3221363798

On other hand we got SWAT, using abilities only, no guns at all, with 270% XP buff, finished race to level 100 at 34:44. Zombies killed 16373.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3223636351

Now we should ask our math wizard is he purely dumb, or maybe he don't know common sense? Full team of characters without handicaps vs solo character without his main strength. Losing in all possible fronts, but still sways like a dying fish on land.

Btw, now you can watch and learn! Or even hit dislike button to have revenge :D Pathetic kid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QNCJ4H_3I0

It's like you aren't even following the conversation. You're literally proving my point and you can't even see it.

Now do the actual test: 2 Endless modes runs, no XP buffs beyond those from survivor training on either one. One with Medic and one without. See how much time you actually lose. Odds are it'll be 4-5 minutes at most, and both runs will be in the 45+ minute range.

Your claim was that any runtime like that was too long, and the reason it was so long was because of medic, which is patently untrue. It was 100% because no XP buffs were taken. XP buffs will get any team (medic or no) to 100 10-20 minutes faster than if none are taken. Medic only impacts the time maybe 2-3 minutes, if that (since that delay could also be explained by when the more impactful upgrades drop). She isn't dead weight because her lack of DPS is more than made up for by the first two, and there is only so much enemy health on the map at any given time to absorb the damage they're putting out.

You are just seeing what you expect to see because you have yet to do the correct test to isolate the disputed variable. You will continue to misunderstand the data in front of you until you correct this.

[^DreeMax^]

vladeemer님이 먼저 게시:

Medic only impacts the time maybe 2-3 minutes

Thanks for proving my point right from the beginning. Deserverd "L", even with some dealy from your side.

^DreeMax^님이 먼저 게시:

If you simply want to get the achievement, Medic is totally wrong suggestion.

^DreeMax^님이 먼저 게시:

And once again, it's not about Medic going to work or not, but about reaching team level 100 faster.
In this scenario, Medic is a dead weight.

You have now agreed with this yourself. Are you a masochist or what? Would you like to be publicly shamed and punished before you actually agreed with a simple and correct statement?

vladeemer님이 먼저 게시:

but the question is not whether medic slows down a run (she does)

I just quoted this, since we will back to something soon ^^

[^DreeMax^]

Ok, time to end this circus.

Ruud님이 먼저 게시:

Dreemax, I dare you to put your money where your mouth is. Take Medic as teamleader + any 2 characters and get to lvl 100 <45 minutes and post it.

Ruud님이 먼저 게시:

Are you afraid of the challenge? I don't think you can do it.

vladeemer님이 먼저 게시:

but the question is not whether medic slows down a run (she does), but whether it is easier to complete the achievement in endless mode, where attaining the achievement can actually be difficult.

vladeemer님이 먼저 게시:

SWAT+Engi+Medic, also took XP buffs. Should have been slower because of medic, since all other variables (mode, map, primary DPS classes) were the same. Instead it was considerably faster.

vladeemer님이 먼저 게시:

What you are falsely attributing to skill on your part, is simply handled by XP buffs and avoiding mobs. Your conspiracy theories are fun, but you can't disprove math by emoting at it.

vladeemer님이 먼저 게시:

You don't understand the data in front of you.

vladeemer님이 먼저 게시:

Math is an unforgiving mistress who has bestowed your L upon you. Whether you accept it or not makes no difference--it's yours either way.

vladeemer님이 먼저 게시:

u are just seeing what you expect to see because you have yet to do the correct test to isolate the disputed variable. You will continue to misunderstand the data in front of you until you correct this.

What is video game skill, ladies and gentlemen?
Its mix of different things, but usually its game knowledge, planning strategy, experimenting with something, having good reaction ect.
If you pretend to be good at video game, you need as many of these skills as possible at the same time. Relying solely on personal experience or theoretical philosophy will not lead to success.

What we see in this thread are two hypocrites, who decide to go all in with very limited game knowledge and lack of personal skill in general.
To no one's surprise, they failed miserably.
Even after detailed explanation, they still prefer to stay dooly.

But here we are in the catharsis of this story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Oc3IB56So

And since our "heroes" lack the courage to accept defeat once and for all, let's hit them with the magic they deserve!

Ruud님이 먼저 게시:

Im very silly kid. I`m sorry

vladeemer님이 먼저 게시:

Im not good enough. Dunning Kruger syndrome is my best friend

[Bruce]

We're locking this thread as it has devolved into non-productive argument. Thanks for your understanding.