FeMC DLC?

[Zindai]

She's basically the OG Kasumi
Whose route is almost another story
Making her date-able would be
A long time dream come true, agree?

[Evangelion]

Автор сообщения: KatherineFtw

>200 Employees
>Not big

They have like 300 employees, devided over 2 studios. Studio 0 working on re:fantazio for the last decade it seems. And studio P working on p3re since 2019. There is also a third team that has been working on p6. Theres like 40 to max 70 people working on each team

[mutantbeth]

Автор сообщения: Sirlion

Автор сообщения: fender178

The only likeminded persons is you and Beth because you chose to ignore that the devs are basing this remake off of the OG P3 and the FeMC did NOT exist when the OG P3 existed. Not to mention they don't have the time to add her not now and most certainly not later down the road due to the fact they have other projects they are working on.

And here... we... go. Excuses like clockwork. You know its not true we are many. And "down the road" means nothing, nobody knows the real schedule. I bet they want to milk it dry like they did with P4G, its bound to happen.

they make excuses for removing features from a rpg make it make sense

[Yürei]

Автор сообщения: mutantbeth

repeat enemies and repetive gameplay. ummm did you even play persona 3?? lmaoo. even the dungeons were repetitive. and no theres heavy voice acting in caligula effect and three houses. Not to mention the detail in cutscenes that do differ between a male and female protagonist and yes the option to play as a female protagonist is one of the reasons that saved the franchise with awakening it opened up to a much larger audience when before awakening there was barely a western audience at all. and btw just because theres a protagonist choice doesnt mean their stories have to be vastly different there is no resources "wasted" in including kotone and neither in including either a sole female protagonist or female protagonist option in p6. idk why youd justify taking away features in past games as well as purposefully excluding accessibility of others make it make sense last i checked an rpg should have more than enough options. not less

Okay.

FIrst off. P3 Original was repetitive in a lot of ways. I never said otherwise. Guess what tho? Persona 3 Original did not have Fmc at all. Not only that P3 FES came out one whole year later with QoL + The Answer. Portable came out two whole years later with more QoL + Fmc + additional content. That was 3 years of time to add to a game that before Fmc was added. Amazes me that you're trying to use that as reasoning when they got 3 years to copy and paste the game they already finish and updated multiple times, then try to apply that to Persona 3 Reload which is basically being built from scratch. Its not like Persona 3/Persona 4/Persona 5 and Persona 3 Portable/Persona 4 Golden/Persona 5 Royal where they just took the already built game and added on top.

Second off. By all means, go ahead and explain all these different details for Caligula Effect. From what I've seen and read, there is only minor differences from dialogue obviously changing due to picking a male or female protagonist to some minor locations differences (bath scene). At best there is one character who responds differently due to their history with males iirc. So yea, go ahead and tell me if you know so much.

Third off, while having a female option in Awakening did get some more people interested, it was not the MAIN reason. As I have stated before, it is mainly due to the difficulty that turned people away. Thanks to the new difficulty options and later time rewind, the Fire Emblem games became a lot less punishing. This allows a more casual audience to get into the game. If there is one thing that is obvious, there is a huge casual Fire Emblem fanbase.

Lastly, I don't think you realize how much it cost and how much time it would take to make a female route as well. Voice acting for all characters, scripts, portraits, models, outfits, and animations. Plus if you want your precious Fmc to have what Persona 3 Portable got, you would need different theme songs, her different weapon models, unique social links, Theodore would need to be made and lines programmed (You wouldn't want them to destroy his personality would you?) and etc. How much more do you think this would cost? How much more time would you think this would take?

They chose to focus on the ORIGINAL Persona 3 game first before worrying about anything else. I doubt most devs would want to cut out content just to exclude a part of their fanbase. They have a deadline and budget. Refusing to accept that shows what kind of person you are.

P.S. Since I feel like I need to add this. I do not mind if they add it as DLC. I would actually like it. However, I think it is better if they focus on making and improving the original Journey before focusing on the Answer and/or Fmc. Split resources and attention results in lesser quality for both products usually.

[mutantbeth]

Автор сообщения: Yürei

Автор сообщения: mutantbeth

repeat enemies and repetive gameplay. ummm did you even play persona 3?? lmaoo. even the dungeons were repetitive. and no theres heavy voice acting in caligula effect and three houses. Not to mention the detail in cutscenes that do differ between a male and female protagonist and yes the option to play as a female protagonist is one of the reasons that saved the franchise with awakening it opened up to a much larger audience when before awakening there was barely a western audience at all. and btw just because theres a protagonist choice doesnt mean their stories have to be vastly different there is no resources "wasted" in including kotone and neither in including either a sole female protagonist or female protagonist option in p6. idk why youd justify taking away features in past games as well as purposefully excluding accessibility of others make it make sense last i checked an rpg should have more than enough options. not less

Okay.

FIrst off. P3 Original was repetitive in a lot of ways. I never said otherwise. Guess what tho? Persona 3 Original did not have Fmc at all. Not only that P3 FES came out one whole year later with QoL + The Answer. Portable came out two whole years later with more QoL + Fmc + additional content. That was 3 years of time to add to a game that before Fmc was added. Amazes me that you're trying to use that as reasoning when they got 3 years to copy and paste the game they already finish and updated multiple times, then try to apply that to Persona 3 Reload which is basically being built from scratch. Its not like Persona 3/Persona 4/Persona 5 and Persona 3 Portable/Persona 4 Golden/Persona 5 Royal where they just took the already built game and added on top.

Second off. By all means, go ahead and explain all these different details for Caligula Effect. From what I've seen and read, there is only minor differences from dialogue obviously changing due to picking a male or female protagonist to some minor locations differences (Obvious bath scene). At best there is one character who responds differently due to their history with males iirc. So yea, go ahead and tell me if you know so much.

Third off, while having a female option in Awakening did get some more people interested, it was not the MAIN reason. As I have stated before, it is mainly due to the difficulty that turned people away. Thanks to the new difficulty options and later time rewind, the Fire Emblem games became a lot less punishing. This allows a more casual audience to get into the game. If there is one thing that is obvious, there is a huge casual Fire Emblem fanbase.

Lastly, I don't think you realize how much it cost and how much time it would take to make a female route as well. Voice acting for all characters, scripts, portraits, models, outfits, and animations. Plus if you want your precious Fmc to have what Persona 3 Portable got, you would need different theme songs, her different weapon models, unique social links, Theodore would need to be made and lines programmed (You wouldn't want them to destroy his personality would you?) and etc. How much more do you think this would cost? How much more time would you think this would take?

They chose to focus on the ORIGINAL Persona 3 game first before worrying about anything else. I doubt most devs would want to cut out content just to exclude a part of their fanbase. They have a deadline and budget. Refusing to accept that shows what kind of person you are.

you didnt even play caligula effect and you talk like you know what youre saying e.e. and even IF it was minimal differences so what? just because youre a woman doesnt mean everyone everywhere is going to treat you differently especially now. there doesnt need to be massive differences between a male and female protagonist so stop using that as an excuse as to why theres no femc plus they have a lot of the groundwork already done for her. Her route came after persona 4 when they had a good idea of their game formula by then so yes makotos route in 3 needed a lot of work done especially in the social link department. and idk why you bring up theo they had no issue including him in the spin off despite him being exclusive to only kotone. you have no leg to stand on theres 0 excuse to not include her at the end of the day especially given the price

[Yürei]

Автор сообщения: mutantbeth

you didnt even play caligula effect and you talk like you know what youre saying e.e. and even IF it was minimal differences so what? just because youre a woman doesnt mean everyone everywhere is going to treat you differently especially now. there doesnt need to be massive differences between a male and female protagonist so stop using that as an excuse as to why theres no femc plus they have a lot of the groundwork already done for her. Her route came after persona 4 when they had a good idea of their game formula by then so yes makotos route in 3 needed a lot of work done especially in the social link department. and idk why you bring up theo they had no issue including him in the spin off despite him being exclusive to only kotone. you have no leg to stand on theres 0 excuse to not include her at the end of the day especially given the price

Oh boy here we go again. So you admit there was minimal differences for Caligula Effects, but want to compare that to P3P Fmc route which was substantially different considering social links alone. Literally Theo is another reason as to why more time and money would be needed if you try to include the Fmc. You can't have Fmc without Theo as the Velvet Room Assistant. Just because the groundwork is already there doesn't mean it takes a lot of time and resources to make the game. Persona 3 Reload has been in development for already 4+ years. What do you think is going to happen when you add whole route to a game that is already taking a while with original groundwork. Amazing the hoops you're trying to jump through to act like your stance is correct.

[mutantbeth]

Автор сообщения: Yürei

Автор сообщения: mutantbeth

you didnt even play caligula effect and you talk like you know what youre saying e.e. and even IF it was minimal differences so what? just because youre a woman doesnt mean everyone everywhere is going to treat you differently especially now. there doesnt need to be massive differences between a male and female protagonist so stop using that as an excuse as to why theres no femc plus they have a lot of the groundwork already done for her. Her route came after persona 4 when they had a good idea of their game formula by then so yes makotos route in 3 needed a lot of work done especially in the social link department. and idk why you bring up theo they had no issue including him in the spin off despite him being exclusive to only kotone. you have no leg to stand on theres 0 excuse to not include her at the end of the day especially given the price

Oh boy here we go again. So you admit there was minimal differences for Caligula Effects, but want to compare that to P3P Fmc route which was substantially different considering social links alone. Literally Theo is another reason as to why more time and money would be needed if you try to include the Fmc. You can't have Fmc without Theo as the Velvet Room Assistant. Just because the groundwork is already there doesn't mean it takes a lot of time and resources to make the game. Persona 3 Reload has been in development for already 4+ years. What do you think is going to happen when you add whole route to a game that is already taking a while with original groundwork. Amazing the hoops you're trying to jump through to act like your stance is correct.

what are you talking about? you are given the choice to choose between elizabeth and theo only if youre femc.. so much for having femc without theo. and you say 4 years in development but its not like they have to rebuild everything for her. they have 97% of the characters already finished 85% voicelines finished cause other than pronouns and some lines here and there, the difference between kotone and makoto in the campaign is minimal. it wouldnt take another 4 years e.e i feel like yall havent played femc cause you act like its VASTLY different that warrants years of extra time to develop

[Yürei]

Автор сообщения: mutantbeth

Автор сообщения: Yürei

Oh boy here we go again. So you admit there was minimal differences for Caligula Effects, but want to compare that to P3P Fmc route which was substantially different considering social links alone. Literally Theo is another reason as to why more time and money would be needed if you try to include the Fmc. You can't have Fmc without Theo as the Velvet Room Assistant. Just because the groundwork is already there doesn't mean it takes a lot of time and resources to make the game. Persona 3 Reload has been in development for already 4+ years. What do you think is going to happen when you add whole route to a game that is already taking a while with original groundwork. Amazing the hoops you're trying to jump through to act like your stance is correct.

what are you talking about? you are given the choice to choose between elizabeth and theo only if youre femc.. so much for having femc without theo. and you say 4 years in development but its not like they have to rebuild everything for her. they have 97% of the characters already finished 85% voicelines finished cause other than pronouns and some lines here and there, the difference between kotone and makoto in the campaign is minimal. it wouldnt take another 4 years e.e i feel like yall havent played femc cause you act like its VASTLY different that warrants years of extra time to develop

You're given the option, but does that change the fact that he needs to added to the game to even have the option. Seriously confused how you can reach that conclusion without thinking. Also, I love how you say minimal now when you ignore all the different social links. Not only that, they would also have to do the same QoL improvements new to Reload. How about all the models required for each new social links, animations for each of her social links, voice lines, portraits, weapons, armor, costumes, music, different ui. Do I really need to go on? Do you honestly think all of that will take a short amount of time?

[mutantbeth]

Автор сообщения: Yürei

Автор сообщения: mutantbeth

what are you talking about? you are given the choice to choose between elizabeth and theo only if youre femc.. so much for having femc without theo. and you say 4 years in development but its not like they have to rebuild everything for her. they have 97% of the characters already finished 85% voicelines finished cause other than pronouns and some lines here and there, the difference between kotone and makoto in the campaign is minimal. it wouldnt take another 4 years e.e i feel like yall havent played femc cause you act like its VASTLY different that warrants years of extra time to develop

You're given the option, but does that change the fact that he needs to added to the game to even have the option. Seriously confused how you can reach that conclusion without thinking. Also, I love how you say minimal now when you ignore all the different social links. Not only that, they would also have to do the same QoL improvements new to Reload. How about all the models required for each new social links, animations for each of her social links, voice lines, portraits, weapons, armor, costumes, music, different ui. Do I really need to go on? Do you honestly think all of that will take a short amount of time?

social links arent voiced.. and like i said the main campaign is more similar than you think other than obvious stuff like pronouns or other immediate gender exclusive things like junpei being a sexist pervert in the beginning or operation babe hunt and the hot baths. and most likely kotone would use the same body as the female members sooo? costumes need nothing other than her winter and summer clothes. next? and the ui wouldnt be different maybe just the color lol

[Yürei]

Автор сообщения: mutantbeth

Автор сообщения: Yürei

You're given the option, but does that change the fact that he needs to added to the game to even have the option. Seriously confused how you can reach that conclusion without thinking. Also, I love how you say minimal now when you ignore all the different social links. Not only that, they would also have to do the same QoL improvements new to Reload. How about all the models required for each new social links, animations for each of her social links, voice lines, portraits, weapons, armor, costumes, music, different ui. Do I really need to go on? Do you honestly think all of that will take a short amount of time?

social links arent voiced.. and like i said the main campaign is more similar than you think other than obvious stuff like pronouns or other immediate gender exclusive things like junpei being a sexist pervert in the beginning or operation babe hunt and the hot baths. and most likely kotone would use the same body as the female members sooo? costumes need nothing other than her winter and summer clothes. next? and the ui wouldnt be different maybe just the color lol

Seems like you did very little research into this game. They're making it so almost all if not all social link are voiced in Reload. Not only that, the UI is like Persona 5 where they show the Male protag in the menus. Its not a simple color change. Please look up more info before commenting like you know what you're talking about.

[mutantbeth]

Автор сообщения: Yürei

Автор сообщения: mutantbeth

social links arent voiced.. and like i said the main campaign is more similar than you think other than obvious stuff like pronouns or other immediate gender exclusive things like junpei being a sexist pervert in the beginning or operation babe hunt and the hot baths. and most likely kotone would use the same body as the female members sooo? costumes need nothing other than her winter and summer clothes. next? and the ui wouldnt be different maybe just the color lol

Seems like you did very little research into this game. They're making it so almost all if not all social link are voiced in Reload. Not only that, the UI is like Persona 5 where they show the Male protag in the menus. Its not a simple color change. Please look up more info before commenting like you know what you're talking about.

yes the protagonist was in the menus of 3 and 4 too xD so what? its not going to take 4 years+ cause theyll be reusing a lot of assets

[Yürei]

Автор сообщения: mutantbeth

Автор сообщения: Yürei

Seems like you did very little research into this game. They're making it so almost all if not all social link are voiced in Reload. Not only that, the UI is like Persona 5 where they show the Male protag in the menus. Its not a simple color change. Please look up more info before commenting like you know what you're talking about.

yes the protagonist was in the menus of 3 and 4 too xD so what? its not going to take 4 years+ cause theyll be reusing a lot of assets

That takes time and effort if they want to make it look good and fit. Its not as simple as you think. That is just one thing of many also.

[JRPG-Guy]

I was wondering the same

[ValentB]

Автор сообщения: fender178

Автор сообщения: Sirlion

Oh joy, entering here after a month and finding likeminded individuals. YES, Kotone should be included as DLC asap.

The only likeminded persons is you and Beth because you chose to ignore that the devs are basing this remake off of the OG P3 and the FeMC did NOT exist when the OG P3 existed. Not to mention they don't have the time to add her not now and most certainly not later down the road due to the fact they have other projects they are working on.

P5(R) didn't exist either yet they're putting lots of its features into this.
Interacting with male party wasn't in original too.

[fender178]

Автор сообщения: ValentB

Автор сообщения: fender178

The only likeminded persons is you and Beth because you chose to ignore that the devs are basing this remake off of the OG P3 and the FeMC did NOT exist when the OG P3 existed. Not to mention they don't have the time to add her not now and most certainly not later down the road due to the fact they have other projects they are working on.

P5(R) didn't exist either yet they're putting lots of its features into this.
Interacting with male party wasn't in original too.

You do have valid point. Yeah they could have added the FeMC and it is quite possible that they even talked about it during the early planning stages when they were talking about doing a remake of Persona 3.

[fender178]

Автор сообщения: mutantbeth

Автор сообщения: Yürei

Seems like you did very little research into this game. They're making it so almost all if not all social link are voiced in Reload. Not only that, the UI is like Persona 5 where they show the Male protag in the menus. Its not a simple color change. Please look up more info before commenting like you know what you're talking about.

yes the protagonist was in the menus of 3 and 4 too xD so what? its not going to take 4 years+ cause theyll be reusing a lot of assets

Yet another Clueless post from you I am NOT surprised. No they won't be using the exact same assets because they won't be compatible with Unreal Engine 4 and if they did it would be so out dated it will look like crap. They have to re-create the assets to make them compatible with UE4 and making them more modern and good looking. So yeah it will take them 4 years of development time. So stop talking about Game development because you have no idea what you are talking about. Before you say it I know I never made a game before BUT I have played enough of them to know that it takes a lot of time and effort to create games.