Persona 3 Reload

Persona 3 Reload

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Nobody Feb 13, 2024 @ 3:36pm
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the ending
this is probably the most depressing game ending ive seen in a while, i get the message, i really do but JESUS its giving my flashbacks to edgerunners. anyways the game was really good i still like p5r better but i can see why people like this game so much, in my opinion however, its kinda far to dark some deaths only there for shock value which is kinda boring but hey all in all the game was fun and the story was good.
Originally posted by egeslean05:
Originally posted by HydrogenBong:
Absolutely not. You obviously did not understand the story if you think a happy ending is better. Go watch an anime if you want something with 0 stakes.
So your answer is 'No!' and that's it? Really?

I did say I'm not some super creative and I gave points, that came from the game itself, that could have lead to a different and new ending. Instead of anything constructive you just claim that I, and others like me who didn't like the ending, just don't understand the game and its themes.

That's a cop-out response and blatantly untrue.

Why? Cuz I can turn that right back around on you and those on your side and say YOU don't understand the game's themes, as you only focus on Death and not the thing that P3, P4, and P5 focus on as well: Bonds. (P1&2 might do this as well, but I haven't played them in YEARS and never got far in either one, hell I don't even remember anything about them, beyond that I played them a bit.))

The current 'good ending' ignores that aspect of the game and, at least as far as I can tell cuz I'll never replay this game, as long as you choose not to kill the dude and you win the fight against Nyx, it all plays out the same (with the number of maxed out bonds talking to you and supporting you during the fight being the only real difference) (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

You want the theme kept (your interpretation of it at least)?
Sure, here's another option to go along with what I kind of suggested:
A) When MC seals Nyx, just before the scene changes, have him healed, in a 'blink and you'll miss it' moment for the exact about of HP that Aigis has.
B) Things play out as it did originally, though tone down the 'you don't look so good' and replace with 'you look tired' or something similar, something less grievous.
C) Things play out like normal again on the rooftop until everyone shows up. Aigis now wakes MC up, and helps him sit up (cuz he's groggy and tired), and then he goes to greet them.
D) They look back where he and Aigis were, only to see her smile at them and fade away, similar to how Sun did. Why? She took on the death meant for him, granting him the life and freedom she had taken from him. It's only possible due to the chain of seals and the BONDS (oh look the other theme of this game you all love to ignore). ((At that point her existence is a complete contradiction, that's true even in the current ending, so her dying and fading away removes that contradiction.))
E) (completely optional even I think this is a bit much, but eh..) In MC's hand, he holds Aigis' heart, which is now nothing but a unique trinket.

You still get the death, MC gets to live, Aigis redeems herself a bit, and the work put into the bonds has a meaningful impact on the story. Nothing about the death theme says the MC needs to die, hell, nothing about it means that anyone needs to die during the game, or as a result of the story, because that's not the point.

Death comes for all eventually, it's inevitable, do with that what you will (but running from it isn't ideal). That's basically what the game has been saying all along.

But yeah, keep sticking to your one, very narrow, definition of the 'themes' of the game and your singular idea of what it means, while ignoring everything else. Ya'll seem good at that. I'm sure you'll continue to attack people personally if they don't think exactly like you.
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chaosstare Feb 14, 2024 @ 3:42pm 
To be fair I didn't understand that he died either when I first played the OG. I just found out later with the sequel that is even more depressing. If there is a DLC I hope that they can make a better story and happy ending.

Poor Aigis honestly.
Nobody Feb 14, 2024 @ 4:24pm 
Originally posted by Starts@0:
Originally posted by Nobody:
bioshock infinite, cyberpunk, halo reach, rdr 1 and tlou 2 to name a few, alot of these games ARE good and the stories are cool its just the endings that i feel could be better. i have enough of sadness in my everyday life, and im not ashamed to admit that i prefer a more Disney esc story ending alot like P5R or ff15 or gow 4 and 5.

I am sorry, but I am having difficulty agreeing with you. I didn't find any emotional resonance in Bioshock Infinite's ending. I don't remember how Red Dead Redemption ended anymore. That shows just how memorable the game was for me. And Halo Reach's ending has always been perfect. I went into that game with the expectation it would be about a heroic last stand and it did not disappoint.

I do need to ask, though - Is this your first time playing through Persona 3?

Judging from your impetus behind this thread and from your response, it certainly feels like it. I mean, I won't be playing Persona 3 Reload if I am suffering from a bout of depression. Then again, I won't be playing something as violent as God of War either. I'd play something fun like Mario or Super Monkey Ball. Now, those are more Disney-esque than Final Fantasy, Persona or God of War.
if i gave the impression that i was depressed then i must of worded it poorly, im not depressed im as happy and sad as the next person, and yea it is my first play of persona 3. i just dont like stories where the mc dies at the end. i like to see myself as the mc in whatever game im playing and watching my player die is sort of like watching myself die. and i guess Disney was a bad way to word it, i more like endings that make me feel good in some way, in god of war its kratos finally feeling like he is loved, in ff 15 its noctis becoming king and sealing away the darkness, in persona 5 its ren and his friends beating the final boss and going on one final adventure before all of them going their own ways.
Danner Feb 14, 2024 @ 4:31pm 
Originally posted by Johlem:
for my part I just didn't understand anything about this ending, which leaves me more than perplexed.
The protagonist is dead? where? How? When? Why? I mean, we don't have any explanation, I've rarely seen a rushed ending like that.

Am I missing something or is this just a botched ending?

In Persona 3 FES there's an epilouge called the answer where everything gets explained. To be fair they did make the fact that the protag died in this version less clear.
fender178 Feb 14, 2024 @ 4:39pm 
Originally posted by Nobody:
Originally posted by Starts@0:

Care to name a few? I like to check out these games. Provided, of course, they aren't part of the SMT banner. Otherwise, there's a very good chance that I already played them.
bioshock infinite, cyberpunk, halo reach, rdr 1 and tlou 2 to name a few, alot of these games ARE good and the stories are cool its just the endings that i feel could be better. i have enough of sadness in my everyday life, and im not ashamed to admit that i prefer a more Disney esc story ending alot like P5R or ff15 or gow 4 and 5.
I preferred Persona 5's ending over P5R's because it had even more of a happier ending than in Royal. And Also TLOU2 sucked hence the reason why I never played it.
Last edited by fender178; Feb 14, 2024 @ 4:46pm
taznkid Feb 14, 2024 @ 4:41pm 
For those who wish for a different ending: you dont need to like the ending, but a "happier" ending would literally run counter to the theme of P3. The whole point is that death is inevitable, everything eventually comes to an end, so cherish what time you do have and make the most of it.

P4 is meant to be a sequel not only sequentially, but thematically, by addressing the "how" of making the most of your time, hence has the more upbeat tone, since it is about the "doing" rather than the "end".

Personally, I dislike some of what I call "Persona 5 paint" being put on P3, since it runs counter to the darker tones that make the game so poignant.
Starts@0 Feb 14, 2024 @ 6:16pm 
Originally posted by Nobody:
if i gave the impression that i was depressed then i must of worded it poorly, im not depressed im as happy and sad as the next person, and yea it is my first play of persona 3. i just dont like stories where the mc dies at the end. i like to see myself as the mc in whatever game im playing and watching my player die is sort of like watching myself die. and i guess Disney was a bad way to word it, i more like endings that make me feel good in some way, in god of war its kratos finally feeling like he is loved, in ff 15 its noctis becoming king and sealing away the darkness, in persona 5 its ren and his friends beating the final boss and going on one final adventure before all of them going their own ways.

This explains a lot. Most folks that go into Persona 3 Reload already know what they are in for. I do understand where you are coming from, though. I didn't like the ending way back when either. But it grew on me. Since then, I've considered the ending to be more bittersweet than sad. So, just give it time. You'll get there eventually.
Nobody Feb 14, 2024 @ 6:35pm 
Originally posted by taznkid:
For those who wish for a different ending: you dont need to like the ending, but a "happier" ending would literally run counter to the theme of P3. The whole point is that death is inevitable, everything eventually comes to an end, so cherish what time you do have and make the most of it.

P4 is meant to be a sequel not only sequentially, but thematically, by addressing the "how" of making the most of your time, hence has the more upbeat tone, since it is about the "doing" rather than the "end".

Personally, I dislike some of what I call "Persona 5 paint" being put on P3, since it runs counter to the darker tones that make the game so poignant.
i said i understand the ending and the message its just that i dont like those types of endings personally, thats it. people are looking far to deep into this, if you like the ending GRATE, if you dont GRATE. there really isnt a point to argue like this over opinions. now i see why the persona community is widely regarded as such an intolerant group of players, so much so that they argue amongst themselves over such small things.
yb1e Feb 14, 2024 @ 7:09pm 
Persona 2 Innocent Sin has an even more depressing ending than Persona 3
allknowingeel Feb 14, 2024 @ 8:13pm 
Originally posted by Nobody:
Originally posted by taznkid:
For those who wish for a different ending: you dont need to like the ending, but a "happier" ending would literally run counter to the theme of P3. The whole point is that death is inevitable, everything eventually comes to an end, so cherish what time you do have and make the most of it.

P4 is meant to be a sequel not only sequentially, but thematically, by addressing the "how" of making the most of your time, hence has the more upbeat tone, since it is about the "doing" rather than the "end".

Personally, I dislike some of what I call "Persona 5 paint" being put on P3, since it runs counter to the darker tones that make the game so poignant.
i said i understand the ending and the message its just that i dont like those types of endings personally, thats it. people are looking far to deep into this, if you like the ending GRATE, if you dont GRATE. there really isnt a point to argue like this over opinions. now i see why the persona community is widely regarded as such an intolerant group of players, so much so that they argue amongst themselves over such small things.
Dpn't a lot of fanbases argue with each other? I've seen the Fire Emblem and Typemoon fandoms argue a ton with each other.
Last edited by allknowingeel; Feb 14, 2024 @ 8:14pm
Dubious Disk Feb 14, 2024 @ 8:58pm 
Originally posted by Nobody:
Originally posted by taznkid:
For those who wish for a different ending: you dont need to like the ending, but a "happier" ending would literally run counter to the theme of P3. The whole point is that death is inevitable, everything eventually comes to an end, so cherish what time you do have and make the most of it.

P4 is meant to be a sequel not only sequentially, but thematically, by addressing the "how" of making the most of your time, hence has the more upbeat tone, since it is about the "doing" rather than the "end".

Personally, I dislike some of what I call "Persona 5 paint" being put on P3, since it runs counter to the darker tones that make the game so poignant.
i said i understand the ending and the message its just that i dont like those types of endings personally, thats it. people are looking far to deep into this, if you like the ending GRATE, if you dont GRATE. there really isnt a point to argue like this over opinions. now i see why the persona community is widely regarded as such an intolerant group of players, so much so that they argue amongst themselves over such small things.
tbh, it's highly weird that you made an entire thread essentially saying "I dont like this ending, I dont care about the message, I don't like it" and then complain that people are kind of rightfully calling you out for not understanding the underlying message of a game.

It's like going to a fast food place and complaining that you're eating fast food, like..what did you expect? Praise?
Demiurge Feb 14, 2024 @ 9:26pm 
loved the game, but I never liked the ending. I hate depressing endings and I prefer happy endings in movies, books, and games. Get enough bad stuff in real life, don't need it in my escapism. However, that's just a me thing. Your mileage may vary
DilTinman Feb 14, 2024 @ 9:37pm 
Originally posted by Danner <3 bubba:
Originally posted by Johlem:
for my part I just didn't understand anything about this ending, which leaves me more than perplexed.
The protagonist is dead? where? How? When? Why? I mean, we don't have any explanation, I've rarely seen a rushed ending like that.

Am I missing something or is this just a botched ending?

In Persona 3 FES there's an epilouge called the answer where everything gets explained. To be fair they did make the fact that the protag died in this version less clear.

Less clear? It couldn't be more clear with how the final scene is presented in this version.

The original was extremely unclear about it and most people didn't even know he died until the answer just said it outright. This version is practically screaming at you with theming, shot compositions, and just overall presentation that he's dying.
Nobody Feb 14, 2024 @ 10:21pm 
Originally posted by Dubious Disk:
Originally posted by Nobody:
i said i understand the ending and the message its just that i dont like those types of endings personally, thats it. people are looking far to deep into this, if you like the ending GRATE, if you dont GRATE. there really isnt a point to argue like this over opinions. now i see why the persona community is widely regarded as such an intolerant group of players, so much so that they argue amongst themselves over such small things.
tbh, it's highly weird that you made an entire thread essentially saying "I dont like this ending, I dont care about the message, I don't like it" and then complain that people are kind of rightfully calling you out for not understanding the underlying message of a game.

It's like going to a fast food place and complaining that you're eating fast food, like..what did you expect? Praise?
never said "I dont like this ending, I dont care about the message, I don't like it" i said i DO get the message i DO feel the ending CAN be better. thats it. you're looking for an argument my man.
mutantbeth Feb 14, 2024 @ 10:28pm 
Originally posted by yb1e:
Persona 2 Innocent Sin has an even more depressing ending than Persona 3
even in EP. poor tatsuya...
Valerie Feb 15, 2024 @ 11:33am 
This is definitely one of the darker persona games for a reason. The game is ALL about death, sacrifice, and how to live with the loss of loved ones. Which stays true even in the final moments of the game. It's a bit of a reason why FES and P3P wasn't as liked by some from a story telling stand point 'cuz they went against the original game's message to basically null and void some of the moments and try to put a happy bow on it all.

This was my first Persona game so I have a bias opinion though. Still, I loved the darker tone of this game and I think it's a beautiful yet bitter game. It's the reason I had trouble even beating P4 'cuz it was too up beat compared to P3.

I will go back and beat P4G though sometime. I might hop into it AFTER I beat this one. I've never experienced PG4 and the farthest I got was up to Naoto in both original and golden.
Last edited by Valerie; Feb 15, 2024 @ 11:50am
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