Strongest Persona Protagonist?

[Bruhman800]

Just wanted to know what people think since some people are playing Persona 3 for the first time, I think it's Makoto for obvious reasons but i haven't played Persona 2 so Maya or Tatsuya might be Jesus but i wouldn't know.

[Haruspex]

Publicado originalmente por rainworld:

Publicado originalmente por Myla:

Only one in the modern Perofella games that can drop armageddon too.

wtf they made games based off perofella?

Yeah man. Fatlus copied the characters.

[Hanzo]

Publicado originalmente por rainworld:

tatsuya can stop time and has gone through way more than any other protag, also he can summon personas in the real world just fine. the p1 protag and maya can also use personas in the real world (they're not restricted like the modern protags) and do have real guns as well. imo it would probably be tatsuya > makoto > tie between p1 protag and maya > then everyone else. the strongest team would probably be a tie between the p1 crew due to how many there are and they all have guns and the eternal punishment crew due to adults just being stronger than teens.

Tatsuya cannot stop time. It's his persona Apollo and only for the last skill. If you reference to "stopping time" to graying out everything you will notice that everyone (including Tatsuya himself), except Apollo, are greyed out

[Hanzo]

Publicado originalmente por Bruhman800:

Good argument, I personally think Makoto is the strongest, well he was at least up against the most impossible odds (Having to overcome Nyx, who is a literal space alien that cannot die and is implied to be a personification of the concept of death, fitting the games themes) And i'm talking about the protagonist at their best, maxed social links, ultimate Persona etc, Plus Makoto is pretty is pretty unique in the fact he has the Universe Arcana which granted him temporary immortality and he can summon multiple Personas at the same as shown with Fusion Spells, just my own opinion though they're all great in their own ways

Guys in P1 were fighting Pandora, which also were a very strong being. I'm not even speaking about P2 Nyarly, which could posses power even greater that Nyx.
P2 groups also have fusion spells, but they are produced as combo abilities with several people and there are lot of them, including Armageddon or Trimurti(100% non-elemental instakill). And they not affect party in terms leaving them with 1 HP/SP.

But if we speaking about solo performance, probably Makoto is strongest, though I still don't see any proof that he can use fusion during the day.
If we speak about groups, P2/P1 groups (which have mixed chars) are probably strongest and more flexible

[Commander Shepard]

The question should be "Which of the Persona Protagonists can handle Koromaru?" and the answer would be no one, no one can beat the goodest boi in the whole Shin Megami Tensei Franchise.

[DaBa]

It's not really a question of who thinks what, lore wise P3 protagonist is by far the strongest. He is the only one who ever got a hold of the Universe arcana, which gave him the power to seal Nyx (Nyx being the inescapable, undefeatable DEATH of the whole world) and to remake the world a single time, which he used to turn things back to normal. We think at least, it's never explained what that arcana actually does, we just know it's something powerful enough to seal a being like Nyx. Even Igor and other denizens of the Velvet room don't have this kind of power, and they barely understand what the Universe arcana even is, clearly it's something beyond their realm of capabilities.

Regardless of what that arcana does, he clearly is well above the power level of all the other protagonists. There's a pretty cool video on Youtube somewhere, pretty easy to find too. It's about persona characters power rankings, done by some real SMT nerds who know basically everything there is to know about the games and the universe in general. They talk about that part as well.

[Bruhman800]

Publicado originalmente por DaBa:

It's not really a question of who thinks what, lore wise P3 protagonist is by far the strongest. He is the only one who ever got a hold of the Universe arcana, which gave him the power to seal Nyx (Nyx being the inescapable, undefeatable DEATH of the whole world) and to remake the world a single time, which he used to turn things back to normal. We think at least, it's never explained what that arcana actually does, we just know it's something powerful enough to seal a being like Nyx. Even Igor and other denizens of the Velvet room don't have this kind of power, and they barely understand what the Universe arcana even is, clearly it's something beyond their realm of capabilities.

Regardless of what that arcana does, he clearly is well above the power level of all the other protagonists. There's a pretty cool video on Youtube somewhere, pretty easy to find too. It's about persona characters power rankings, done by some real SMT nerds who know basically everything there is to know about the games and the universe in general. They talk about that part as well.

I agree, Even with the Universe Arcana Makoto couldn't kill Nyx, just shows how strong Nyx really is lol, also that video sounds like a really fun watch i should look for it.

[Hanzo]

Publicado originalmente por DaBa:

It's not really a question of who thinks what, lore wise P3 protagonist is by far the strongest. He is the only one who ever got a hold of the Universe arcana, which gave him the power to seal Nyx (Nyx being the inescapable, undefeatable DEATH of the whole world) and to remake the world a single time, which he used to turn things back to normal. We think at least, it's never explained what that arcana actually does, we just know it's something powerful enough to seal a being like Nyx. Even Igor and other denizens of the Velvet room don't have this kind of power, and they barely understand what the Universe arcana even is, clearly it's something beyond their realm of capabilities.

There are a lot of questions. Nyarly could be much stronger than Nyx. Battle conditions are also matter. If P2 protag(s) fight P3 protag(s) at day will P3 crew able to do anything? There is also Persona Q games, which shows that 3/4/5 protags have pretty much same strength.

In any case P2 crew can just spread a rumor that Makoto is dead. That could be the answer

[aurafarmer]

Publicado originalmente por Hanzo:

Publicado originalmente por DaBa:

It's not really a question of who thinks what, lore wise P3 protagonist is by far the strongest. He is the only one who ever got a hold of the Universe arcana, which gave him the power to seal Nyx (Nyx being the inescapable, undefeatable DEATH of the whole world) and to remake the world a single time, which he used to turn things back to normal. We think at least, it's never explained what that arcana actually does, we just know it's something powerful enough to seal a being like Nyx. Even Igor and other denizens of the Velvet room don't have this kind of power, and they barely understand what the Universe arcana even is, clearly it's something beyond their realm of capabilities.

There are a lot of questions. Nyarly could be much stronger than Nyx. Battle conditions are also matter. If P2 protag(s) fight P3 protag(s) at day will P3 crew able to do anything? There is also Persona Q games, which shows that 3/4/5 protags have pretty much same strength.

In any case P2 crew can just spread a rumor that Makoto is dead. That could be the answer

or you know maya and katsuya can gun him down

[Yürei]

Publicado originalmente por rainworld:

Publicado originalmente por Hanzo:

There are a lot of questions. Nyarly could be much stronger than Nyx. Battle conditions are also matter. If P2 protag(s) fight P3 protag(s) at day will P3 crew able to do anything? There is also Persona Q games, which shows that 3/4/5 protags have pretty much same strength.

In any case P2 crew can just spread a rumor that Makoto is dead. That could be the answer

or you know maya and katsuya can gun him down

Well guns might not mean anything considering the level of customization that Makoto can have with Persona. Not only that, P3 crew technically have aigis too...

[aurafarmer]

Publicado originalmente por Yürei:

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or you know maya and katsuya can gun him down

Well guns might not mean anything considering the level of customization that Makoto can have with Persona. Not only that, P3 crew technically have aigis too...

as far as i know newsona characters cant use them in the real world and i dont think the resistances and stuff would apply

[Yürei]

Publicado originalmente por rainworld:

Publicado originalmente por Yürei:

Well guns might not mean anything considering the level of customization that Makoto can have with Persona. Not only that, P3 crew technically have aigis too...

as far as i know newsona characters cant use them in the real world and i dont think the resistances and stuff would apply

The P3 crew can at least. There isn't really anything stopping them from doing so outside the dark hour except getting innocents involved a lot easier. The resistances would make sense considering they're getting hit by elements without their persona being out. I'm not sure how much would reflect in the real world tho.



https://youtu.be/GJ2H6Gae3dY?si=iOMF1bYuCWEJxPTO

This is very spoiler heavy to anyone who has not beaten P3, but the way you kill Ryoji is summoning a persona outside the dark hour. There are more examples too.

Ugh Valve need to fix how they spoiler videos. You have to right click while hovering over the black box and then click on the video.

[aurafarmer]

Publicado originalmente por Yürei:

Publicado originalmente por rainworld:

as far as i know newsona characters cant use them in the real world and i dont think the resistances and stuff would apply

The P3 crew can at least. There isn't really anything stopping them from doing so outside the dark hour except getting innocents involved a lot easier. The resistances would make sense considering they're getting hit by elements without their persona being out. I'm not sure how much would reflect in the real world tho.



https://youtu.be/GJ2H6Gae3dY?si=iOMF1bYuCWEJxPTO

This is very spoiler heavy to anyone who has not beaten P3, but the way you kill Ryoji is summoning a persona outside the dark hour. There are more examples too.

Ugh Valve need to fix how they spoiler videos. You have to right click while hovering over the black box and then click on the video.

oh yeah i completely forgot about that its been a while since i played p3, i still think a group of teenagers with firearms is more of a threat than persona users at least since theres a bunch of persona users unamed offscreen in p2 and they're treated as average people and such in the game. also the demon summoning program is a thing in the persona timeline and i'd argue thats more of a threat than a persona user from the modern games

[Yürei]

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Publicado originalmente por Yürei:

The P3 crew can at least. There isn't really anything stopping them from doing so outside the dark hour except getting innocents involved a lot easier. The resistances would make sense considering they're getting hit by elements without their persona being out. I'm not sure how much would reflect in the real world tho.



https://youtu.be/GJ2H6Gae3dY?si=iOMF1bYuCWEJxPTO

This is very spoiler heavy to anyone who has not beaten P3, but the way you kill Ryoji is summoning a persona outside the dark hour. There are more examples too.

Ugh Valve need to fix how they spoiler videos. You have to right click while hovering over the black box and then click on the video.

oh yeah i completely forgot about that its been a while since i played p3, i still think a group of teenagers with firearms is more of a threat than persona users at least since theres a bunch of persona users unamed offscreen in p2 and they're treated as average people and such in the game. also the demon summoning program is a thing in the persona timeline and i'd argue thats more of a threat than a persona user from the modern games

To a degree I would agree with you, but it comes down to a question of how much ammo they have vs aigis in trades. Aigis could probably tank a good amount of hits while being backed up by the rest of the P3 crew. Not only that, I'm sure that after the events of P3 and P4A, they're probably trained to deal with firearms due to people they had to fight. If resistances do have a play, then it probably just comes down to the protags at that point.

[Haruspex]

I wonder if anyone here actually played the PQ games? Wouldn't that answer some of these stuff.

[Yürei]

Publicado originalmente por Jester:

I wonder if anyone here actually played the PQ games? Wouldn't that answer some of these stuff.

Yes and no. Due to the fact that they're usually taken mid journey, they're not at their full potential.