Ending? SPOILERS!!!

[Vurado88]

I dont get it i beat Nyx and after all that Aigis says she will always be with main character and protect him and then he dies in her legs while others run to roof to meet them o.O ?
Why did he died ? And how come Aigis can cry since she is not human ?

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by Myla:

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

How do you play Persona 3-5 and miss the point THIS badly?

None of the teams actually kill any of their finale gods. Especially not P3 where its stated multiple times that they are just dormant. P4's are also just defeated but not killed, and 5's original finale boss is also not killed (if I remember correctly)

It’s literally in the name of the series. Persona is about character growth.

Not even SMT is about “surpassing the impossible”. It’s more about conflicting ideals

Bro you literally shoot Yaldabaothn the head with a giant bullet and gets permanently destroyed by Morgana. Unless they changed that in Royal which I haven't played.

From what I remember, that doesn't actually kill him I think? You'd think it would, but I'll need a reminder.

But for 3 and 4 at least, no, you don't ever and cant just defeat them in battle.

[Haruspex]

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Originally posted by Myla:

Bro you literally shoot Yaldabaothn the head with a giant bullet and gets permanently destroyed by Morgana. Unless they changed that in Royal which I haven't played.

From what I remember, that doesn't actually kill him I think? You'd think it would, but I'll need a reminder.

But for 3 and 4 at least, no, you don't ever and cant just defeat them in battle.

Yeah it turns back into a treasure Morgana 'steals' the holy grail afterwards which should destroy mementos and whatever the other dungeon was called permanently in theory. I don't remember Yalba saying anything like it would return or something when Humanity wants it back.

[Moonlight]

The great seal. It costs all of your HP.

[archonsod]

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

From what I remember, that doesn't actually kill him I think? You'd think it would, but I'll need a reminder.

"He" is an abstract concept. You can't really kill it, nor given it represents order would it be desirable to (you probably don't want to remove the concept of order from the universe. Pretty much why it'd be a bad idea to kill Nyx too - removing death from the universe doesn't tend to go well, as P5R demonstrates). In the ending it's Satanael (personification of rebellion. You can see what they were going for here right?) who finishes him off with Sinful Shell, which causes Yaldabaoth to revert back to it's inert grail form (Royale doesn't change any of the original ending, just what happens to humanity's desire for order after you put it's demiurge back into it's box).

[Yürei]

Originally posted by Myla:

Originally posted by Yürei:

You're the one who mentioned beating Nyx with EVERY protags of Persona... Are you okay?

Jesus you're such a nerd emoji. It's the fact this is said before but you just have to interject again with not some BS that's obvious from the start. Are you okay? Are you incapable of just zipping it when you just have nothing to say anymore?

My guy, you're the one who joined the conversation with us talking about FREEING the Protag from P3 with beating up Nyx. Yea, lets destroy the moon. That will go well. You then proceed to go on about Persona being about beating the odds, while forgetting that that only happens due to the game's protag + crew are usually trying to prove to point (P3 = to continue living no matter what, P4 = to not look away from the truth, P5 = Not following the mobs and to accept reality for what it is). So far, you haven't given a good reason to fight Nyx outside of a terrible one that is "Its an insurmountable obstacle".

[Haruspex]

Originally posted by Yürei:

Originally posted by Myla:

Jesus you're such a nerd emoji. It's the fact this is said before but you just have to interject again with not some BS that's obvious from the start. Are you okay? Are you incapable of just zipping it when you just have nothing to say anymore?

My guy, you're the one who joined the conversation with us talking about FREEING the Protag from P3 with beating up Nyx. Yea, lets destroy the moon. That will go well. You then proceed to go on about Persona being about beating the odds, while forgetting that that only happens due to the game's protag + crew are usually trying to prove to point (P3 = to continue living no matter what, P4 = to not look away from the truth, P5 = Not following the mobs and to accept reality for what it is). So far, you haven't given a good reason to fight Nyx outside of a terrible one that is "Its an insurmountable obstacle".

What about me joining in on the conversation? You had to derail it to be a nerd emoji and say something profound like nyx isn't inherently evil like who ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cares are you gonna hold hands with Nyx?

Nyx isn't the moon. What are you on about? Lmao. It's the egg inside it. You also forget that Elizabeth is potentially looking to recruit wildcards which also includes their Party members by default. The good reason to fight Nyx has been said multiple times already, You just lack reading comprehension.

[Yürei]

Originally posted by Myla:

Originally posted by Yürei:

My guy, you're the one who joined the conversation with us talking about FREEING the Protag from P3 with beating up Nyx. Yea, lets destroy the moon. That will go well. You then proceed to go on about Persona being about beating the odds, while forgetting that that only happens due to the game's protag + crew are usually trying to prove to point (P3 = to continue living no matter what, P4 = to not look away from the truth, P5 = Not following the mobs and to accept reality for what it is). So far, you haven't given a good reason to fight Nyx outside of a terrible one that is "Its an insurmountable obstacle".

What about me joining in on the conversation? You had to derail it to be a nerd emoji and say something profound like nyx isn't inherently evil like who ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cares are you gonna hold hands with Nyx?

Nyx isn't the moon. What are you on about? Lmao. It's the egg inside it. You also forget that Elizabeth is potentially looking to recruit wildcards which also includes their Party members by default. The good reason to fight Nyx has been said multiple times already, You just lack reading comprehension.

I know its not stated obviously, but you could at least look into what you're talking about. Especially if you're thinking of putting the protags against Nyx.

"The Persona 3 Club Book explains that Nyx is a celestial-body sized alien called a Planet Eater. Nyx crashed into prehistoric Earth where her body and psyche were separated, with her body becoming the Moon and her psyche staying on Earth. Her "wave-like psyche" existed in contradiction to the psyche of early lifeforms on Earth, so life as a whole evolved to seal Nyx within the Collective Unconscious as their Shadows."

My point being if its not an evil being, their literally moon (why do you think the moon was so important during the dark hour), and a being that most likely can't be beaten due to how connected to Collective Unconscious it is, it is very unlikely that any of the Protags will ever want to fight Nyx. Not only that, there is no mention that Elizabeth is on a journey to gather wild cards to free P3 Protag from what I'm aware of. Its crazy how you're pulling all this stuff out of no where without any actual knowledge. Hell, we could argue that your "good reason" isn't that good at all. Who would want to risk their friends and family for a person they barely know. Sure, P3 protag saved everyone they know and love, but to risk everyone to save him spits on his grave and the theme of P3.

[Haruspex]

Originally posted by Yürei:

Originally posted by Myla:

What about me joining in on the conversation? You had to derail it to be a nerd emoji and say something profound like nyx isn't inherently evil like who ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cares are you gonna hold hands with Nyx?

Nyx isn't the moon. What are you on about? Lmao. It's the egg inside it. You also forget that Elizabeth is potentially looking to recruit wildcards which also includes their Party members by default. The good reason to fight Nyx has been said multiple times already, You just lack reading comprehension.

I know its not stated obviously, but you could at least look into what you're talking about. Especially if you're thinking of putting the protags against Nyx.

"The Persona 3 Club Book explains that Nyx is a celestial-body sized alien called a Planet Eater. Nyx crashed into prehistoric Earth where her body and psyche were separated, with her body becoming the Moon and her psyche staying on Earth. Her "wave-like psyche" existed in contradiction to the psyche of early lifeforms on Earth, so life as a whole evolved to seal Nyx within the Collective Unconscious as their Shadows."

My point being if its not an evil being, their literally moon (why do you think the moon was so important during the dark hour), and a being that most likely can't be beaten due to how connected to Collective Unconscious it is, it is very unlikely that any of the Protags will ever want to fight Nyx. Not only that, there is no mention that Elizabeth is on a journey to gather wild cards to free P3 Protag from what I'm aware of. Its crazy how you're pulling all this stuff out of no where without any actual knowledge. Hell, we could argue that your "good reason" isn't that good at all. Who would want to risk their friends and family for a person they barely know. Sure, P3 protag saved everyone they know and love, but to risk everyone to save him spits on his grave and the theme of P3.

Maybe you should actually read the source materials instead of citing wikipedia.
The source material is fully translated.

"As Nyx’ psyche, which exists in a wave-like state, was left behind on earth, her physical body was enclosed in the moon alongside the debris"

I ignored your BS after it got fact checked and this is supported by the fact your character quite literally goes inside the moon and fights an egg and not the moon eye itself. It's akin to the School transforming into Tartarus.

[Yürei]

Originally posted by Myla:

Originally posted by Yürei:

I know its not stated obviously, but you could at least look into what you're talking about. Especially if you're thinking of putting the protags against Nyx.

"The Persona 3 Club Book explains that Nyx is a celestial-body sized alien called a Planet Eater. Nyx crashed into prehistoric Earth where her body and psyche were separated, with her body becoming the Moon and her psyche staying on Earth. Her "wave-like psyche" existed in contradiction to the psyche of early lifeforms on Earth, so life as a whole evolved to seal Nyx within the Collective Unconscious as their Shadows."

My point being if its not an evil being, their literally moon (why do you think the moon was so important during the dark hour), and a being that most likely can't be beaten due to how connected to Collective Unconscious it is, it is very unlikely that any of the Protags will ever want to fight Nyx. Not only that, there is no mention that Elizabeth is on a journey to gather wild cards to free P3 Protag from what I'm aware of. Its crazy how you're pulling all this stuff out of no where without any actual knowledge. Hell, we could argue that your "good reason" isn't that good at all. Who would want to risk their friends and family for a person they barely know. Sure, P3 protag saved everyone they know and love, but to risk everyone to save him spits on his grave and the theme of P3.

Maybe you should actually read the source materials instead of citing wikipedia.
The source material is fully translated.

"As Nyx’ psyche, which exists in a wave-like state, was left behind on earth, her physical body was enclosed in the moon alongside the debris"

I ignored your BS after it got fact checked and this is supported by the fact your character quite literally goes inside the moon and fights an egg and not the moon eye itself. It's akin to the School transforming into Tartarus.

Okay, you want to link your source to back up your proof then. Also, it wouldn't matter considering you have no clue the ramifications of destroying Nyx. Not only would you need to find a way to reach Nyx while its in the moon, it might very well affect humanity due to where is psyche is sealed and what it has become. There are too many what ifs.

[Haruspex]

Originally posted by Yürei:

Originally posted by Myla:

Maybe you should actually read the source materials instead of citing wikipedia.
The source material is fully translated.

"As Nyx’ psyche, which exists in a wave-like state, was left behind on earth, her physical body was enclosed in the moon alongside the debris"

I ignored your BS after it got fact checked and this is supported by the fact your character quite literally goes inside the moon and fights an egg and not the moon eye itself. It's akin to the School transforming into Tartarus.

Okay, you want to link your source to back up your proof then. Also, it wouldn't matter considering you have no clue the ramifications of destroying Nyx. Not only would you need to find a way to reach Nyx while its in the moon, it might very well affect humanity due to where is psyche is sealed and what it has become. There are too many what ifs.

You can google wikipedia but can't google the persona 3 club book translation?
Lmao.
https://ask-persona.tumblr.com/post/99861586798/persona-3-club-book-world-guide-qa-translation

[Yürei]

Originally posted by Myla:

Originally posted by Yürei:

Okay, you want to link your source to back up your proof then. Also, it wouldn't matter considering you have no clue the ramifications of destroying Nyx. Not only would you need to find a way to reach Nyx while its in the moon, it might very well affect humanity due to where is psyche is sealed and what it has become. There are too many what ifs.

You can google wikipedia but can't google the persona 3 club book translation?
Lmao.
https://ask-persona.tumblr.com/post/99861586798/persona-3-club-book-world-guide-qa-translation

You mean the very same site that says

"After it had become one with the Moon, the body, which had been wounded in the collision, proceeded to gradually heal itself."

Or this

"Moreover, if this were to happen, the moon, which is merged with Nyx’s physical body, would unite with Nyx’s psyche, returning her to her original form."

Real convenient that you left those part out. Seriously thought you had another source that you thought was properly translated.

[Haruspex]

Originally posted by Yürei:

Originally posted by Myla:

You can google wikipedia but can't google the persona 3 club book translation?
Lmao.
https://ask-persona.tumblr.com/post/99861586798/persona-3-club-book-world-guide-qa-translation

You mean the very same site that says

"After it had become one with the Moon, the body, which had been wounded in the collision, proceeded to gradually heal itself."

Or this

"Moreover, if this were to happen, the moon, which is merged with Nyx’s physical body, would unite with Nyx’s psyche, returning her to her original form."

Real convenient that you left those part out.

"but it is very possible that by the time of our story the healing process was already just about completed. However, in its current state the body is but a mere shell. Until its psyche is freed from its seal, it will remain in idle waiting. After the battle against the Nyx Avatar, Nyx’ body began to descend onto the planet, called by its psyche. But after the seal was placed, it has once more returned to being our non-threatening, friendly, smiling moon"

Read again.
The moon is just a version of it's tartarus. What do you think the egg inside the moon is? Or better yet why wasn't Makoto battling a literal moon if that's the actual body? Do you think Atlus just implemented Makoto going inside the moon and sealing a literal egg just for show?

[Yürei]

Originally posted by Myla:

Originally posted by Yürei:

You mean the very same site that says

"After it had become one with the Moon, the body, which had been wounded in the collision, proceeded to gradually heal itself."

Or this

"Moreover, if this were to happen, the moon, which is merged with Nyx’s physical body, would unite with Nyx’s psyche, returning her to her original form."

Real convenient that you left those part out.

"but it is very possible that by the time of our story the healing process was already just about completed. However, in its current state the body is but a mere shell. Until its psyche is freed from its seal, it will remain in idle waiting. After the battle against the Nyx Avatar, Nyx’ body began to descend onto the planet, called by its psyche. But after the seal was placed, it has once more returned to being our non-threatening, friendly, smiling moon"

Read again.
The moon is just a version of it's tartarus. What do you think the egg inside the moon is? Or better yet why wasn't Makoto battling a literal moon if that's the actual body? Do you think Atlus just implemented Makoto going inside the moon and sealing a literal egg just for show?

Oh I saw that, but its not just referring to the rock surrounding the egg part as a shell. Its referring to the whole moon and how its basically empty with no mind. There a reason why Nyx was so large until Makoto sealed Nyx. Its probably better to look at the egg as a heart than its full body. If you go watch the P3 movie #4, only a thin layer of rock breaks off revealing just how large Nyx is and what Makoto entered was basically inside Nyx already.

[Evangelion]

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

The Answer's ending was fine. The only real big issue there is that they wanted to have the team fight each other at some point, but they also split the team into doubles that don't really make sense.

Give a reason for one of them to side with Yukari too and you've fixed its big issue.

But the ending itself leaving the main character as a door that isn't revived instantly makes way more sense. Reviving him is what would actually ruin the point of 3.

Mitsuru siding with yukari makes the most sense out of all of them. If you know what Yukari did for her and what their bond is like, it makes plenty of sense why mitsuru did.

And I don't think there have been any indications of reviving him, rather just freeing his soul. His physical body is still very much gone. He was and still is quite literally the messiah

[Yürei]

Originally posted by Evangelion:

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

The Answer's ending was fine. The only real big issue there is that they wanted to have the team fight each other at some point, but they also split the team into doubles that don't really make sense.

Give a reason for one of them to side with Yukari too and you've fixed its big issue.

But the ending itself leaving the main character as a door that isn't revived instantly makes way more sense. Reviving him is what would actually ruin the point of 3.

Mitsuru siding with yukari makes the most sense out of all of them. If you know what Yukari did for her and what their bond is like, it makes plenty of sense why mitsuru did.

And I don't think there have been any indications of reviving him, rather just freeing his soul. His physical body is still very much gone. He was and still is quite literally the messiah

Well, the Universe Arcana's power is still somewhat unknown. There might be a chance that it could be used to just create a new body.