Anyone else feeling that the daytime planning is too tight ?

[rapidecesoir]

With the addition of the link episodes, and the game's own quirks (with school social links unavailable on holidays/exams), the daytime planning feels really awkward. There is little to no room for liberty on daytime, while the night feels really empty.

While the link episodes are a welcome addition, some happening at daytime really ruin the remaining liberty we originally had. In the same time, the game invites you to see movies with your friends during the festival, do the link episodes... Is there really a room for all of this in one playthrough ?
I have a feeling of poor design choices, and it's not like I was locked behind too low social stats. With the exception of the film festival and the link episodes, I've done a social link every day (with a matching Persona, all Koromaru walks, and I even used the computer notes at night to boost some of them), and there's no way I'll be done by the end of january.

[Tracido]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Hymnos:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tracido:

I mean, I'm, pretty sure there are already guides for maxing everything out there, it's just figuring it out on my own that got really tricky, because it's not just the night limits, it's the fact some social links can't be done on certain days as well as no night for them..

yea but The guide I saw mostly skip some bonding event like Movie Festival for example since the schedule is so tight lmao

Oh, I do agree, it's quite tight, but I played back when we also had fatigue to deal with, it was worse than this before..

I already was able to go with someone for a timed event and go for a social link level raise on a different day the next week, but again, planning this all, is still rather complex.

[Hymnos]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tracido:

Oh, I do agree, it's quite tight, but I played back when we also had fatigue to deal with, it was worse than this before..

I already was able to go with someone for a timed event and go for a social link level raise on a different day the next week, but again, planning this all, is still rather complex.

They even added Tarrot card effect to boost Social bonding event for a day during Tartarus Night, that's also prove Atlus devs is aware the game has Tight schedule to max everything lmao

[Hauntings]

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Splinter of Chaos:

Yeah, this is why I'm ruining the game a bit for myself and using a guide. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's poor design because there is definitely appeal to a game that demands you think carefully about planning out your time slots and juggling the various opportunities, but the stress it puts on the player by making them feel like if they don't play perfectly they will miss out on content is unpleasant. And it's hard to have enough information to effectively plan everything out, but if all the information was presented to you there'd be no surprise or discovery.

Yea but the fact you can't get everything done on a first run is what makes the story have more impact it's about what you could do with the time you have, Totally understand your view as I like to get as much done as I can on first runs my self.

I'm pretty much done with over half the social links and summer is just ending for me. A lot more links are half way, I've never missed an event or anything. That said I've played through FES and P3P multiple times. I do look up guides for Social Link answers or know about what to say though so I'm not spending any days pulling my fortune on days I could progress other social links. I don't think you need to min max this game or run it perfect to do everything in one playthrough. But it may be too strict to do that if you're not careful with your time.

[Douota]

Diposting pertama kali oleh rapidecesoir:

I did exactly the same strategy, except I didn't catch the school thing and lost one week worth of school days ranking up Hierophant or Hanged Man. That's enough to guarantee I won't hit 100%. The rest of the time was lost with double visits due to not having enough social points (Justice and Strength are a pain in the ass even with good answers and matching personas), with no Koromaru or URLs available at this point. There is little to no room for a mistake, gg if you managed to avoid all of this on a first playthrough. The link episodes definitely feel like a chore that will destroy the last amount of liberty you had in the daytime.

I lost some time to Hierophant early on, but otherwise I found it was best to focus on other Social Links when one needs a boost until you get a phone call or some other affection-raising event outside of social links rather than waste a day doing nothing. For example, I reached an impasse with Chihiro and even though I don't really like her that much, I took her to the festival since it gives you enough points for a rank up.

You also have a leeway of about 3 or 4 Sundays with Hermit (probably even more, since Sun ranks up really fast without needing any extra days, plus you can spend any school holidays on that one as well if you need to), and aside from Sun and Hermit, Sundays are basically free, so you can use those days when Chihiro or Yuko call you up if you happen to need extra points with them. I'm just now at the end of November and I've got all the possible Sunday social links maxed out (Hierophant, Star, Sun, Hermit), which means I can use the time to answer hangout requests or draw relationship fortunes at the shrine if I need them.

Thankfully social links don't reverse themselves if you neglect one person for too long in this version, so there's a lot more freedom to choose who to focus on, and as long as you follow a basic strategy, the schedule is pretty forgiving.

[archonsod]

Diposting pertama kali oleh rapidecesoir:

There is little to no room for a mistake, gg if you managed to avoid all of this on a first playthrough.

You're not supposed to; the end game isn't really designed around the notion you'll be turning up with an army of top tier Personas.

There's literally an achievement for maxing all social links. The pacing of the remake was just poorly thought.

Portable has an achievement for beating the game with both protagonists; how do you think you do that in a single run?

[MeldinX2]

Yeah Persona 3 was always tight on time. Unless you follow a guide you are not really supposed to max out every social link in one playthrough. I would just play it normally and have fun. You don't need to min max everything to beat the game.

[rapidecesoir]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Overeagerdragon:

Diposting pertama kali oleh rapidecesoir:

There's literally an achievement for maxing all social links. The pacing of the remake was just poorly thought.

How does that influence anything? Social stats carry over on NG+... always have.... You can get the achiev on a first run or a 100th time run.... Pacing is fine....
Tell me you've never played a persona game without telling me you've never played a persona game

Such a bold asumption for someone who barely read anything in this thread and is completely missing the point. If you payed a bit of attention while playing, you would have noticed that social stats do little to nothing in this matter. There will be social links to level up even if you don't have instant access to Fuuka/Yukari especially (only impact there is that they'll be locked for the summer festival - not a big deal at all for the social links).

The problem doesn't come from days where you have nothing to do because of low social stats (this could happen in P5R and was actually fine, because it genuinely changed your second experience). It comes from the colossal pile of narrative content you can do during the day, and maxing all social links will either cut the content you get from film festivals or link episodes. A NG+ run will do nothing with one exception: more flexibility on your chosen Persona, that won't have an impact unless you were more than rank 2 with a social link and still didn't manage to get a matching Persona. If you go for NG+, your experience won't change narratively speaking. You'll still have to skip content in order to make the cut for maxed social links. Definitely a pacing problem.

[Penpa]

Whoever is saying nah the schedule isn't tight obviously didn't get to the 2nd semester wheres there's like 20 days you have to spend on link episodes that fight for social link time or think spread sheeting your days means it somehow isn't a tight schedule. You can max link p4/p5 without min max spreadsheeting just casual efficiency. You can't do it in this one if you actually want to do all the link episodes/exclusive content. You can both max all links and get the special hangouts in p4/p5 without having to pull out a notepad.

Good luck doing the festival/move scenes and link episodes without extremely tight planning in p3r. Too many flexers who think its cool to say "nah it easy" when its objectively the tightest western persona max social link scheduling when link episodes are included without contest. You can't even say "NAH IMO PERSONALLY..." literally, mathematically, there's less free days in p3r than any other persona game including persona 3 fes (except the exclusive non fes japanese p3 that never came out here) There's just too many day activities that all overlap with each other. The ONLY thing NG+ helps you with is since you did the link episodes and got the high lvl personas you can skip them so more time for actual links, social stat carry over actually doesn't help you with the scheduling since night time is so worthless after 2nd semester.

[Dank Sidious]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lil Scream:

Newgame+ exists for a reason.

Must be nice having time for NG+ for games like these.

[Brian9824]

Don't have to do everything in one playthru and night in the first playthru is when you focus on boosting your stats which are needed for maxing social links and getting them all anyways.