Why are people buying this?

[Kibawolf]

It always confuses me why people would pay over $100 for a game when it is available for free on Xbox game pass? (of course there is a monthly subscription, but still a lot better value than paying full price for all these games!)

EDIT: do people not realise you don't need to own an XBOX?
Game pass is on PC

[fender178]

Originally posted by Garbage:

Originally posted by fender178:

It could have been a lot worse for Atlus if Nintendo bought em then any of Atlus' future projects would be stuck on Nintendo hardware and I know that would be upsetting to some because I have read the Bayonetta 1 message boards and some people were complaining how Bayonetta 2 and 3 are locked to Nintendo hardware. Yeah Sega maybe the publisher but how much are they involved in the day to day work days of Atlus considering Sega is allowing them to function as their own company. I can't see too many acquisitions doing what Sega did. So I disagree that Sega has any blame for this situation. I think Atlus is going where the money is and fortunately or unfortunately depending on what fandom you support that the money is with doing stuff related to Persona. Or if you support both SMT and Persona then it's an entirely different situation due to the fact they are happy and upset at the same time.

You're talking about one alternative doomsday scenario. If they were bought out by someone who despised Denuvo and ended out allowing Atlus to do their own thing, then we'd have a better situation altogether.

True you do have a valid point.

[Faiyez]

Originally posted by Mailia:

Out of all those issues listed, the only issue that I've had is shader compilation stutter. And even that is quite minor after playing for a couple of hours. No issues with controller (DualSense with Steam Input), no issues with camera, nothing has required me to reboot and no crashing. Perhaps it's just the Xbox version of the game that is busted, since games usually need to ship a separate version for Microsoft's store due to technical requirements.

Again, it's not possible to save more than some couple of tens of euros at most, so why go through the trouble?

No, because there shouldn't be any issues. I'm playing P5 Tactica concurrently on gamepass and there's no issues with that and there wasn't at launch either.

So I'm going to assume I'd have the same issues with Reload regardless of launcher.

[Witch ~]

Because gamepass is stupid. Plus I'd have to install the awful xbox app

[Mailia]

Originally posted by Faiyez:

No, because there shouldn't be any issues. I'm playing P5 Tactica concurrently on gamepass and there's no issues with that and there wasn't at launch either.

Well, I'm not really having issues, and I don't care to save a couple of tens of euros to gamble on whatever version of games are up on Game Pass because of Microsoft's technical requirements.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/409941-persona-3-reload/80688685
And it does seem like people are having issues with the Microsoft Store (Game Pass) version and not replicating it with the Steam version.

[Dank Sidious]

Originally posted by archonsod:

Originally posted by Dank Sidious:

Yeah the morons actually named the Windows gaming app where you play your game pass games Xbox

It's because their new strategy is to push Xbox as a hardware agnostic gaming platform rather than being tied to their console. Though given they don't seem to understand why they keep losing the console war, or for that matter why 'Games for Windows' failed I can't see their efforts being any more successful.
It's one of the reasons I wouldn't trust game pass; Microsoft's history with live services is rather patchy.

What's not to trust with game pass? The deal is pretty open there's nothing strange or untrustworthy about it. for 10 bucks a month you get to play games listed there. You don't own anything in there and the games are there for a limited amount of time. It's basically a game rental service for digital platforms.

Where does the trust part come into play here? Obviously do not use Game Pass if you want to get games there that you can play whenever you want Indefinitely. I wouldn't even get Microsoft games solely from game pass if I wanted to "own" them.

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Originally posted by Dank Sidious:

Originally posted by archonsod:

It's because their new strategy is to push Xbox as a hardware agnostic gaming platform rather than being tied to their console. Though given they don't seem to understand why they keep losing the console war, or for that matter why 'Games for Windows' failed I can't see their efforts being any more successful.
It's one of the reasons I wouldn't trust game pass; Microsoft's history with live services is rather patchy.

What's not to trust with game pass? The deal is pretty open there's nothing strange or untrustworthy about it. for 10 bucks a month you get to play games listed there. You don't own anything in there and the games are there for a limited amount of time. It's basically a game rental service for digital platforms.

Where does the trust part come into play here? Obviously do not use Game Pass if you want to get games there that you can play whenever you want Indefinitely. I wouldn't even get Microsoft games solely from game pass if I wanted to "own" them.

If everything turned into a subscription model, we would lose the concept of ownership. It's a matter of the fact that the industry wants to turn everything into Netflix and kill our ownership. No further proof is needed than Ubisoft's statements on the matter.

[Dank Sidious]

Originally posted by Garbage:

Originally posted by Dank Sidious:

What's not to trust with game pass? The deal is pretty open there's nothing strange or untrustworthy about it. for 10 bucks a month you get to play games listed there. You don't own anything in there and the games are there for a limited amount of time. It's basically a game rental service for digital platforms.

Where does the trust part come into play here? Obviously do not use Game Pass if you want to get games there that you can play whenever you want Indefinitely. I wouldn't even get Microsoft games solely from game pass if I wanted to "own" them.

If everything turned into a subscription model, we would lose the concept of ownership. It's a matter of the fact that the industry wants to turn everything into Netflix and kill our ownership. No further proof is needed than Ubisoft's statements on the matter.

IF.

Dude even DVDs are being made to this day as are LPs and Vinyls. Subscription models haven't killed anything and video didn't kill the radio star.

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Originally posted by Dank Sidious:

Originally posted by Garbage:

If everything turned into a subscription model, we would lose the concept of ownership. It's a matter of the fact that the industry wants to turn everything into Netflix and kill our ownership. No further proof is needed than Ubisoft's statements on the matter.

IF.

Dude even DVDs are being made to this day.

And that's fair and fine. However, never give corporations an inch; they hate you, they see you as an ATM withdrawal, or something to spite. If you do, you'll allow anything to become normalized as the only way of doing things, and then it becomes a part of the public conscious.

I know you're not fond of me, but trust a brother on this.

[Faiyez]

Originally posted by Garbage:

If everything turned into a subscription model, we would lose the concept of ownership. It's a matter of the fact that the industry wants to turn everything into Netflix and kill our ownership. No further proof is needed than Ubisoft's statements on the matter.

I'm not effecting change in the industry just because I decided to play this game on a sub service instead of buying it. Things will move toward whichever direction regardless of how I consume.

[Dank Sidious]

Originally posted by Garbage:

Originally posted by Dank Sidious:

IF.

Dude even DVDs are being made to this day.

And that's fair and fine. However, never give corporations an inch; they hate you, they see you as an ATM withdrawal, or something to spite. If you do, you'll allow anything to become normalized as the only way of doing things, and then it becomes a part of the public conscious.

I know you're not fond of me, but trust a brother on this.

I don't have a negative opinion of you. The schadenfreude comment in that other thread was just a stupid joke.

Game pass is legitimately giving consumers more options not less, it gives you an alternative to paying the full AAA price for digital ownership which mostly isn't true ownership to begin with. You can cancel the subscription when you are done playing and you should cancel it when you are done playing. How is me paying $10-20 to play persona 3 R once and some other games for couple months a bad deal?

How is that worse than me paying $70 to play persona 3 R once? This is legitimately why I can't understand the massive issue people have with game pass.

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Originally posted by Faiyez:

Originally posted by Garbage:

If everything turned into a subscription model, we would lose the concept of ownership. It's a matter of the fact that the industry wants to turn everything into Netflix and kill our ownership. No further proof is needed than Ubisoft's statements on the matter.

I'm not effecting change in the industry just because I decided to play this game on a sub service instead of buying it. Things will move toward whichever direction regardless of how I consume.

Everyone's a voice, dude. Even you.

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Originally posted by Dank Sidious:

Originally posted by Garbage:

And that's fair and fine. However, never give corporations an inch; they hate you, they see you as an ATM withdrawal, or something to spite. If you do, you'll allow anything to become normalized as the only way of doing things, and then it becomes a part of the public conscious.

I know you're not fond of me, but trust a brother on this.

I don't have a negative opinion of you. The schadenfreude comment in that other thread was just a stupid joke.

Game pass is legitimately giving consumers more options not less, it gives you an alternative to paying the full AAA price for digital ownership which mostly isn't true ownership to begin with. You can cancel the subscription when you are done playing and you should cancel it when you are done playing. How is me paying $10-20 to play persona 3 R once and some other games for couple months a bad deal?

How is that worse than me paying $70 to play persona 3 R once? This is legitimately why I can't understand the massive issue people have with game pass.

Once again, fair and fine. If that's the point you're making, then all power to you, because you're 100% right. I have nothing against subscription services as much as I just wanted to throw the warning out that we should be wary.

[Dank Sidious]

Originally posted by Garbage:

Originally posted by Dank Sidious:

I don't have a negative opinion of you. The schadenfreude comment in that other thread was just a stupid joke.

Game pass is legitimately giving consumers more options not less, it gives you an alternative to paying the full AAA price for digital ownership which mostly isn't true ownership to begin with. You can cancel the subscription when you are done playing and you should cancel it when you are done playing. How is me paying $10-20 to play persona 3 R once and some other games for couple months a bad deal?

How is that worse than me paying $70 to play persona 3 R once? This is legitimately why I can't understand the massive issue people have with game pass.

Once again, fair and fine. If that's the point you're making, then all power to you, because you're 100% right. I have nothing against subscription services as much as I just wanted to throw the warning out that we should be wary.

We should always be wary. I haven't bought a full price game in a long time. I always research what I buy before I buy. I don't pre-order games unless there's a very specific rare reason for it and even then, I check multiple reviews and try to read between the lines for the information that's not just shill BS, so far, I haven't been burned once, because I always know what I'm getting.

I've been playing games since forever I'm not new to this, I've seen how the industry has gone to ♥♥♥♥ right from the start.

I'm just maybe a bit more apathetic about it than you and let people do their own ♥♥♥♥ ups. If they want to throw their money away that's their business.

[archonsod]

Originally posted by Garbage:

Because the discussion should change into "give Persona a rest". Atlus's M.O. used to be "make brutal yet interesting RPGs."

For a given value of 'brutal yet interesting'. Assuming we ignore the classical stylings of Radiant Historia, the pseudo beat-em-up Dragon's Crown and similar spin offs and Catherine. Not to mention the Vanillaware stuff they've published, or the fact that the two releases we know of this year, one being another Vanillaware title, aren't Persona related.
Though yeah, if we ignore the two other teams at Atlus it turns out their P-team, which was set up entirely to produce Persona games, has produced a lot of Persona games over the past decade. Who'd have thunk it?

Atlus used to be great until this and Sega happened to them.

They've not really changed much - pre Sega they had about four different types of games and just rehashed the graphics and story around. After Sega they've got five different types of games they rehash the graphics and story around - the new one being rhythm game.

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Sometimes you boot into game and camera is being engaged and you need to restart.
Controller disconnected prompt constantly shows up. No other game I have is doing these things.

The game can't communicate with the controller. That's done via Direct Input and entirely controlled by Windows (and front ended by Steam input if you're running the Steam version). If it's continually reporting disconnected it's usually a good indicator of a loose connection or driver/bus conflict.

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Originally posted by archonsod:

Originally posted by Garbage:

Because the discussion should change into "give Persona a rest". Atlus's M.O. used to be "make brutal yet interesting RPGs."

For a given value of 'brutal yet interesting'. Assuming we ignore the classical stylings of Radiant Historia, the pseudo beat-em-up Dragon's Crown and similar spin offs and Catherine. Not to mention the Vanillaware stuff they've published, or the fact that the two releases we know of this year, one being another Vanillaware title, aren't Persona related.
Though yeah, if we ignore the two other teams at Atlus it turns out their P-team, which was set up entirely to produce Persona games, has produced a lot of Persona games over the past decade. Who'd have thunk it?

Atlus used to be great until this and Sega happened to them.

They've not really changed much - pre Sega they had about four different types of games and just rehashed the graphics and story around. After Sega they've got five different types of games they rehash the graphics and story around - the new one being rhythm game.

Dragon's Crown was Vanillaware. I do not count the games published by Vanillaware as Atlus specific; I just count Vanillaware as the one company which hasn't put their games on PC yet. Considering Atlus publishes their stuff though, I hope they never do because they'll just ruin it with Denuvo.

Radiant Historia Perfect Chronology was released 5.5 years ago now. It got zero advertisement, as opposed to the multiple Persona games that Atlus pushes out.

The most we've gotten out of Atlus lately which wasn't Persona was Soul Hackers 2 (underadvertised) and the Etrian Odyssey Switch/PC ports (which were horribly done). All their effort and budget only goes to Persona.