Seafood full course still 2 points ?

[Dino [NG]]

At Wakatsu kitchen, you can initially eat the prodigy platter, that gives you 2 points in Academics.
But there's also the Seafood Full Course. It's more expensive, and you need minimum 3 in Charm to order it.
I finally unlocked and tried it and it gave me ... 2 points in Academics

Seems weird. Does the game actually has values you can't see (ie. does it actually give 2.5) ? Are the dev trolling ? Is it an oversight? Does it randomly give 2-3 ?

I was already confused by the arcade game for Academics costing 2000 or 3000 yens and only giving 2 points too.

[Dino [NG]]

I'm wary of these lists as when I was googling (this and other stuff) I noticed a ton of stuff was just wrong because it changed from P3/FES to P3 Reload.
In some case it's even new pages that say they are for Persona Reload but actually just copy pasted an old P3 guide and are full of wrong info.

But indeed it would fit if 2 notes is actually 2-3 points, as I got 3 notes when studying with the team and the guide says it gives 4 points... but arcade gives 4 points too and it's only 2 notes, so some values must have changed. Would be better if the game just told you the points, or just have 1-5 music notes.

Good to know that I'm maybe not just throwing money away with the more expensive stuff tho!

[Overeagerdragon]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dino NG:

I'm wary of these lists as when I was googling (this and other stuff) I noticed a ton of stuff was just wrong because it changed from P3/FES to P3 Reload.
In some case it's even new pages that say they are for Persona Reload but actually just copy pasted an old P3 guide and are full of wrong info.

But indeed it would fit if 2 notes is actually 2-3 points, as I got 3 notes when studying with the team and the guide says it gives 4 points... but arcade gives 4 points too and it's only 2 notes, so some values must have changed. Would be better if the game just told you the points, or just have 1-5 music notes.

Good to know that I'm maybe not just throwing money away with the more expensive stuff tho!

I think this is a deliberate design choice to basically depict the amount of uncertainty in life... how do you "quanitfy" how much more charming, brave, smarter you are now than the day before? Can you put a number value on the friendships you have irl?

Keep in mind that the Persona series delves quite a bit in Yungian Psychology

[Hanzo]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Overeagerdragon:

You missed donating at the shrine for Academics (10,000 yen) and IIRC it gives 4-5 points

100 gives +2
1000 gives +3
10000 gives +5

In addition courage in medical cabinet (after tartarus)
+2

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In some case it's even new pages that say they are for Persona Reload but actually just copy pasted an old P3 guide and are full of wrong info.

But indeed it would fit if 2 notes is actually 2-3 points, as I got 3 notes when studying with the team and the guide says it gives 4 points... but arcade gives 4 points too and it's only 2 notes, so some values must have changed. Would be better if the game just told you the points, or just have 1-5 music notes.

Good to know that I'm maybe not just throwing money away with the more expensive stuff tho!

Yeah, i agree, they could've shown numbers

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I think this is a deliberate design choice to basically depict the amount of uncertainty in life... how do you "quanitfy" how much more charming, brave, smarter you are now than the day before? Can you put a number value on the friendships you have irl?

How do you compare damage in this case? Or your HP/SP?

[Hanzo]

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But indeed it would fit if 2 notes is actually 2-3 points, as I got 3 notes when studying with the team and the guide says it gives 4 points...

Right. It seems number of points different when you study just with 2 people or all of them. It seems that if you study with everyone you'll get 5

[NapazTrix]

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Well you are right. Just did a quick check and got those results
Library +2
Staying awake +2
Eating Wakatsu +3 (first plate)
Eating Wakatsu +4 (second plate, charm needed)
Study with team +4
Arcade +4

Why do these things need to be so obfuscated? It felt like that work was pointless.

[Tojeaux]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Hanzo:

Well you are right. Just did a quick check and got those results
Library +2
Staying awake +2
Eating Wakatsu +3 (first plate)
Eating Wakatsu +4 (second plate, charm needed)
Study with team +4
Arcade +4

Why do these things need to be so obfuscated? It felt like that work was pointless.

Like others were saying in the thread already the obfuscation is so that during your first play through you arent sitting around crunching numbers. Reading guides to optimize your path isnt the point of the game. They definitely could have done better to delineate if similar 2 note options "feel" better than other two note options, because it is confusion, but its not bad game design to choose not to present the player with perfect information.

Combat has perfect information because imagine how much people would complain if HP/SP were "Vibes" you had to feel out, the lower stakes nature of the life sim stuff is supposed to just let you decide stuff at your own pace and miss stuff because you Chose as the player not to prioritize it.

[Dino [NG]]

Yeah, it's the double obfuscation that's weird/unnecessary and confusing.
The number of notes isn't equal to the number of points (you assume 3 notes is 3 points but it's not, it's 5+), that's enough obfuscation.
Making 2 points and 4 points look the same on top of that is too confusing.
Plus it's intuitive that 3 notes would be 3 times as much points as 1 note, but that's never true.

[Ashley]

I'm not a fan of the game hiding this stuff. Doesn't benefit player and people should be able to see what things actually give and how close they are to leveling it.

[Corona Virus]

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I'm not a fan of the game hiding this stuff. Doesn't benefit player and people should be able to see what things actually give and how close they are to leveling it.

Cry about it lol