Persona 3 Reload

Persona 3 Reload

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War0000001 Sep 25, 2023 @ 5:53pm
What justifies $70 for this game?
Persona Portable Pc Port is $20 and is a complete package (no dlc to nickel and dime with) and has the female route to compliment the game. Persona 3 Reloaded is $70, has day 1 dlc, and has no female route or The Answer to compliment itself with. Best differentation I've seen for reloaded is that it has stitched pieces of FES onto itself in addition to the base game storyline. To illustrate the point I want to make; Through comparing the prices, Persona 3's story is $20, (generously) the price point of Portable PC Port. If we subtract that from Reloads price, Reload has to justify an extra $50 worth of value. Exclusive hangouts? Portable has Femc Social links. What exactly does Reload have as justification besides using what I assume is the persona 5 engine.

I'd be more tempted if Reloaded at least TRIED to supplant one of the 2 original definitive versions by including the exclusive content (expected the answer since portable got a port), but it didn't. And now there are 'tentatively as Reload hasn't released' 3 definitive versions of Persona 3: Portable, FES, and Persona 3 but engined like Persona 5. Neato!
Originally posted by Evangelion:

for the record I was asked to do this, it's purely informative to respond to OP's question

Originally posted by Evangelion:
Originally posted by War0000001:
Persona Portable Pc Port is $20 and is a complete package (no dlc to nickel and dime with) and has the female route to compliment the game. Persona 3 Reloaded is $70, has day 1 dlc, and has no female route or The Answer to compliment itself with. Best differentation I've seen for reloaded is that it has stitched pieces of FES onto itself in addition to the base game storyline. To illustrate the point I want to make; Through comparing the prices, Persona 3's story is $20, (generously) the price point of Portable PC Port. If we subtract that from Reloads price, Reload has to justify an extra $50 worth of value. Exclusive hangouts? Portable has Femc Social links. What exactly does Reload have as justification besides using what I assume is the persona 5 engine.
There's nothing complete about missing key features in 3d exploration and cutscenes. Not many people are interested in playing the game as a visual novel, it impacts the quality of the story. Reload does include everything from both, except feMC and the Answer, but there are pretty clear reasons as to why that is. Reload also fixed the several big issues with p3, namely the lack of activity during the evenings, no male party social events, no ryoji social events, lack of backstory for strega, etc. If you want to compare the two

What Reload has and portable doesn't
  • 3D exploration
  • New animated cutscenes
  • Male party social events
  • Ryoji social events
  • More strega backstory
  • Updated graphics in new engine
  • All out attack screens
  • Theurgy new critical attacks
  • Reworked tartarus
  • New music + OG music
  • New animations
  • More accessible areas during the evening
  • Fully voiced social links
  • Animated critical attack cut in screens
  • Additional story scenes
  • More personas
  • New story related outfit that we dont know the purpose of yet
  • Shift (a more balanced batton pass)
  • More stylish UI and menu
  • No more tired mechanic
  • They balanced some party members to be more useful in combat
  • Actually good sounding audio
The only thing that portable has over reload is the female route, whether this justifies the extra $50 is up for you to decide, but reload is infinitely the better experience. Reload is also day 1 gamepass or you can get it on key resellers for less, either way for most, the extra amount will 100% be worth it if you consider how much it gains over the only other option which is portable, one that many already overlook anyway

Originally posted by War0000001:
I'd be more tempted if Reloaded at least TRIED to supplant one of the 2 original versions by including the exclusive content (expected the answer since portable got a port), but it didn't. And now there are 'tentatively as Reload hasn't released' 3 definitive versions of Persona 3: Portable, FES, and Persona 3 but engined like Persona 5.
Fes and portable aren't the original. FES only exists because ps2 did not support DLC, portable was a version exclusively made for the PSP, it's in the name after all. The answer was massively disliked on the ps2, even now, many don't want the asnwer as a part of the game, because according to those people; "it ruins the ending". I liked some parts of the Answer, mainly the character writing, but I can definitely see why they didn't bother with it, at least not yet, the option of DLC is still there even tho it seems rather unlikely

As for definitive version, FES is already not playable on any modern console unless we go into emulating, which for most I highly doubt the Answer would be worth the big downgrade of everything else reload has to offer. As for femc, her route was preserved in portable that was quickly ported probably for that reason alone, as I said, the majority don't value this route that highly that they would play the portable edition over the remake. Considering the remake mainly targets new fans as well, I think it's safe to assume from that point on as good as everyone is going to look at the remake to experience p3. It would then be P3RE, P4G, P5R instead of P3P. If no re-release does happen, I believe this will still be considered the definitive version regardless of it's "missing" content. After all It is still P3 as it was intended, missing a massively disliked epilogue or a bonus route from the psp version isn't going to change how the majority view the game
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Tim Thanks Sep 25, 2023 @ 6:23pm 
It's just a game. If you dont think a remake is worth it - dont buy it. Its not that complicated
War0000001 Sep 25, 2023 @ 6:32pm 
Originally posted by Tim Thanks:
It's just a game. If you dont think a remake is worth it - dont buy it. Its not that complicated
Sure, not that complicated. But I want to discuss the merits of Reloaded in relation to its cost. Especially in competition with Portable and FES.
KuraiRex Sep 25, 2023 @ 6:47pm 
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Sure I could write you an essay why its worth the price tag and why the price tag is $70 dollars. Then you can rebuke it because my priorities are different from yours. But first answer my questions on these games. Are the games in the list below worth that price? Does it even matter if a small amount of costumers complain when the majority of normie gamers will buy it no matter what?

Marvels Spider-Man 2 $69.99
Diablo 4 with micro-transactions $69.99
The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom $69.99 (copy and paste from the original)
Star Wars Jedi: Survivor $69.99
Mortal Kombat 1 $69.99
Starfield $69.99
Madden NFL 24 with micro-transactions $69.99
EA Sports FC 24 with micro-transactions $69.99
Forza $69.99
Lords of the Fallen $69.99
Hogwarts Legacy $69.99 (this one seemed justified but proving a point)
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 $69.99 (I cannot believe people are still buying these games)
Final Fantasy 7: Rebirth $69.99 (which is three games that came from one game. So your paying more for the whole game than $69.99).

All except FF7: Rebirth are games coming out this year that are $70 price tag. Sure are a lot I wouldn't say is worth that price tag but I think we can see a pattern since the normies do not care and will pay for it

Oh and gratz on being number 15 for the same thread. We only need to reach 100 of the same thread and I'm sure Atlus / Sega will change their minds. (sarcasm by the way). :)
Last edited by KuraiRex; Sep 25, 2023 @ 6:47pm
Tim Thanks Sep 25, 2023 @ 7:05pm 
Originally posted by War0000001:
Originally posted by Tim Thanks:
It's just a game. If you dont think a remake is worth it - dont buy it. Its not that complicated
Sure, not that complicated. But I want to discuss the merits of Reloaded in relation to its cost. Especially in competition with Portable and FES.

You already know it's going to have new engine(UE4) with redesigned tartarus, new anime cutscenes, new voice actors ect. Depending on which part - it's either on par or better than P5R. Nobody but you can say how much each of those things is worth to you. For all I know you might be perfectly happy with P3P and not care about the new things. In that case the additional $50 are not justified

If you are simply trying to compare the prices between persona games -P3R is cheaper than the price of Persona 5(not royal) when it came out.

The day 1 DLCs are things like cosmetics/BGM/personas. They are there to upsell the people with more cash. You dont need them to have the full experience unlike in some other games.
KuraiRex Sep 25, 2023 @ 7:21pm 
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Here are all the things I have seen, noticed, and researched that have changed since the original P3. I’m pretty sure I miss some things, but here is what I could write as of right now.

Aesthetic Changes:

The game's aesthetics have been overhauled, including character designs and sprites, the GUI, the map models, and their contents.

The game includes newly arranged music and original compositions, with Atsushi Kitajoh as main composer.

• Rapper Lotus Juice returned as a male vocalist, and Azumi Takahashi was introduced as a new female vocalist.

• Similarly, to Persona 5 Royal, a new player advantage battle theme "It's Going Down Now" was added. A rearranged version of the original theme, "Mass Destruction," is used for regular battles.

The game features new animated cutscenes, but some original scenes have been remade in 3D.

The Japanese voices were recorded from scratch.
• Koromaru is voiced by Shinya Takahashi, reprising from Persona 3 The Movie where he was uncredited.

The English version features a mostly entirely new voice cast:
• The protagonist and Pharos are now voiced by Aleks Le.
• Yukari Takeba is now voiced by Heather Gonzalez.
• Junpei Iori is now voiced by Zeno Robinson.
• Mitsuru Kirijo is now voiced by Allegra Clark.
• Akihiko Sanada is now voiced by Alejandro Saab.
• F u u ka Yamagishi is now voiced by Suzie Yeung.
• Aigis is now voiced by Dawn M. Bennett.
• Ken Amada is now voiced by Justine Lee.
• Shinjiro Aragaki is now voiced by Justice Slocum.
• Shuji Ikutsuki is now voiced by Jake Green.
• Takaya Sakaki is now voiced by Daman Mills.
• Jin Shirato is now voiced by Chris Hackney.
• Chidori Yoshino is now voiced by Merit Leighton.

Certain characters' voice actors have been preserved:
• Tara Platt reprises her role as Elizabeth.

The English version preserves the original game's naming conventions: for example, the name of the skill Bash is kept as is instead of being changed to "Lunge," and the "Out" in "All-Out Attack is written in uppercase in spite of following a hyphen.

All Social Link events are fully voiced.

The game has been localized in 13 languages, only in subtitle form. New languages include Brazilian Portuguese, Polish, Russian and Turkish.

The frame rate has been improved from the original's 30FPS to a stable 60FPS, and the resolution has been increased to support 4K.

SEES Attire P3RE:

All members of S.E.E.S can wear customized equipment, available sometime in the game.

The new armband designs are numbered:

Mitsuru's number is 0.
Akihiko's number is 1.
Shinjiro's number is 2.
The protagonist's number is 3, based on the game.
Yukari's number is 4.
Junpei's number is 5.
F u u ka's number is 6.
Aigis's number is 7.
Koromaru's number is 8.
Ken's number is 9.

Combat aesthetics have been improved:

Cut-ins are animated and dynamic.

The protagonist and the party have different victory poses, similarly to Persona 5.
Every party member has their own Finishing Touch by ending a battle via All-out Attack, similarly to the Persona 5 franchise.

Story and Gameplay Changes:

New side stories in the form of "Link Episodes" have been added for certain characters, separate from the Social Link mechanic.
• This not only includes members of SEES, but also members of Strega.
• Watching specific Link Episodes will reward with stat boosts and unlock special fusion recipes.

Class questions have been changed.

Social Links can no longer be Broken, and criteria for Reversing them have mellowed.
Tartarus has a new map and significantly more details and parts.
• Tartarus has breakable objects.
• Certain Treasure Chests in Tartarus are locked. They require a key to be unlocked.

The protagonist can dash while exploring dungeons.

An auto-recovery feature is included.

The condition system where party members can become tired over time has been removed.

Combat details have been tweaked:
• Some skills' properties have been changed.
• The learn pools of party members have been fleshed out and rebalanced.
• Damage-dealing Light and Dark skills, such as Kouha and Eiha, are introduced in the game.
• A new combat mechanic called "Shift," similar to Baton Passes of Persona 5, has been introduced.
• A new system called Theurgia, has been introduced, where combatants can perform special attacks, requiring a gauge that can be filled depending on the party member's personality.
• For the protagonist, this mechanic is a substitute for their ability to perform Fusion Spells.
Shuffle Time functions similarly to Persona 4 Golden, where cards are manually selected.

Holy crap batman, I think I got everything that we have learned up to this point through trailers and interviews. I’m sure we will learn more before the game comes out. So, in my opinion with all this work, yes, the $70 price tag is worth it for this game.
Last edited by KuraiRex; Sep 25, 2023 @ 7:39pm
Milkless Tea Sep 25, 2023 @ 8:29pm 
Absolutely nothing.
Japanese Game Companies always normal and confident for setting price.
Tim Thanks Sep 25, 2023 @ 8:42pm 
Originally posted by Set fire to the rain:
Japanese Game Companies always normal and confident for setting price.
Like it or not that is the new norm. It's already fully implemented on consoles. Even Baldur's Gate 3 is $70
Arifufu Sep 25, 2023 @ 11:36pm 
$70 price tag is worth for someone that never play P3/P3FES/P3P, they also can emulate P3FES and straight to play The Answer since player doesn't need to play The Journey first to enjoy The Answer beside story which i believe in Reload will cover every story that we have in The Journey of FES, personally i don't have any interest to FeMC tbh, but since Portable available even in Steam you can buy it also just to play as FeMC.

Anyway it uses Unreal Engine 4 it's different engine that P5/P5R used, if you wanna a fair comparison you can wait Metaphor, judge from the trailer i think Metaphor use same engine like P5/P5R, ohh SMT V also used Unreal Engine 4, so stop comparing P3R with P5/P5R
Ultimate Gattai Sep 26, 2023 @ 1:20am 
I thought AC6 was bad at $80, then P3 Reload comes in at $108, I've played P3 before anyway, so I'm going to wait for a discount on this one.
Phinixi Sep 26, 2023 @ 10:11am 
Really I believe that nothing. Is basically P3 with P5 Royal graphics
Evangelion Sep 26, 2023 @ 11:06am 
Originally posted by Phinixi:
Really I believe that nothing. Is basically P3 with P5 Royal graphics
I'd bet my life savings on this guy never having played p3 before or having either watched the trailers with his eyes closed or not at all
War0000001 Sep 26, 2023 @ 8:02pm 
So from what I can gather... from the short responses (don't have the energy to consult KuraiRex's post, good on them for making a detailed response), I'll be saving some money on games since I refuse to purchase at that price, hell I'd balk at that price for a series I trust completely. And if I don't want to purchase reload, I can just emulate FES to play the Journey AND the answer...cause they come in the same package in FES... neato.
CptEffort Sep 28, 2023 @ 2:39pm 
Originally posted by Tim Thanks:
Originally posted by Set fire to the rain:
Japanese Game Companies always normal and confident for setting price.
Like it or not that is the new norm. It's already fully implemented on consoles. Even Baldur's Gate 3 is $70
Wtf no it’s not
Tim Thanks Sep 28, 2023 @ 8:24pm 
Originally posted by CaptainEffort:
Originally posted by Tim Thanks:
Like it or not that is the new norm. It's already fully implemented on consoles. Even Baldur's Gate 3 is $70
Wtf no it’s not
Did you even check the console price for baldur's gate 3? $69.99 for base version, $79.99 for Deluxe
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