No FEMC No Buy

[mutantbeth]

fourth time in a row a female protagonist is cast aside despite kotone and maya being highly popular. Sexist reasons female mc was cut in 4th too because it isnt believable for a highschool girl to move to a rural town whatever that means. It's okay if Rise does though cause she is Yu's waifu. Im not saying names but one of the devs is clearly sexist at least he isnt around anymore and hopefully persona team gets it together and adds kotone immediately or else

[Evangelion]

Originally posted by mutantbeth:

she is just as integral to p3 as mc because her inclusion reached a wider audience in the female playerbase and she suffered with depression and apathy just as much but expressed it differently. they could have made her blatantly emo too like male mc but lets be honest when the game was made in japan sexism was heavily prevalent and an introverted emo girl isnt as cute. persona doesnt have to have a female option thats drastically different like in p3p like I said before caligula effect has a female option in both of their games and while there are dialogue differences it's nothing drastic and it doesnt have to be. so saying there needs to be a reason for a femc or that her route needs to be completely different is just sexist

No she is not, portable only players very much overstate her significance to p3 as a whole.

Makoto appears in
> persona 3
> persona 3 fes
> persona 3 portable
> persona 3 movies (best version of p3s story by far)
> persona 3 dancing all night
> persona 5 royal (optional boss)
> persona 4 arena (mentioned)
> persona Q
> persona Q2
> persona 3 reload (definitive version of p3)

Kotone appears in
> persona 3 portable (bonus route)
> persona Q2 (as an alternate reality to makoto)

She was and still is an additional route in portable to accommodate for the massive downgrade of no 3D exploration and no cutscenes, while trying to attract already existing players to play the game again. I don't oppose her inclusion, and I wouldn't mind a female protagonist for p6 (I don't self insert anyway), but her route had many issues in terms of story impact as you were able to undo a crucial death to the plot, while making other characters evolvement make no sense whatsoever.

either way her route is not a necessity, it's not the way p3s story was intended to be conveyed. An additional route to play as a woman is not a priority, the protagonist was already long decided, and that's makoto. P3's case is not comparable to other games, and it's not sexist to not want her included, or to explain as to why she is not a priority in the slightest. That's all there is to it, nothing more can be said

[mutantbeth]

Originally posted by Evangelion:

Originally posted by mutantbeth:

she is just as integral to p3 as mc because her inclusion reached a wider audience in the female playerbase and she suffered with depression and apathy just as much but expressed it differently. they could have made her blatantly emo too like male mc but lets be honest when the game was made in japan sexism was heavily prevalent and an introverted emo girl isnt as cute. persona doesnt have to have a female option thats drastically different like in p3p like I said before caligula effect has a female option in both of their games and while there are dialogue differences it's nothing drastic and it doesnt have to be. so saying there needs to be a reason for a femc or that her route needs to be completely different is just sexist

No she is not, portable only players very much overstate her significance to p3 as a whole.

Makoto appears in
> persona 3
> persona 3 fes
> persona 3 portable
> persona 3 movies (best version of p3s story by far)
> persona 3 dancing all night
> persona 5 royal as an optional boss
> persona 4 arena (mentioned)
> persona Q
> persona Q2
> persona 3 reload (definitive version of p3)

Kotone appears in
> persona 3 portable (bonus route)
> persona q2 (as an alternate reality to makoto)

She was and still is an additional route in portable to accommodate for the massive downgrade of no 3d exploration and no cutscenes, while trying to attract already existing players to play the game again. I don't oppose her inclusion, and I wouldn't mind a female protagonist for p6 (I don't self insert anyway) but her route had many issues in terms of story impact as you were able to undo a crucial death to the plot, while making other characters evolvement make no sense whatsoever.

either way her route is not a necessity, it's not the way p3s story was intended to be conveyed. An additional route to play as a woman is not a priority, the protagonist was already long decided, and there is only one that really counts. P3's case is not comparable to other games, and it's not sexist to not want her included or explain as to why she is not a priority to be present in the slightest. That's all there is to it, nothing more can be said

you may not mind it but the fanbase would have my exact reaction if they ever made the sole protagonist a woman in a persona game. Its hypocritical. Even though jrpgs has a great track record with female protagonists (Estelle Bright, Velvet Crowe, Lightning, Ryza etc Even Ringo despite SH 2 not selling well people still loved her character).
And their excuse being that it's a game made for guys is sexist considering the female playerbase for persona and considering the other jrpgs with a primarily male audience that featured female protagonists at some point and sold well.

and while her route can change the fates of two important characters you literally have no idea if P3R will do that as well considering in the persona spin off games and in FES they purposefully leave on the one characters fates as ambiguous. And wheres the problem with that? Kotone literally has a social link with one of those two characters, getting close to them and giving them their cherished item that protects them. It doesn't undermine anything. Also Kotone has been featured in more artwork alongside the other protagonists funny how this is happening after the most problematic sexist dev leaves the team.

Im not saying the entire team is at fault but Im not gonna pretend that "We didn't include a female protagonist in persona 4 because a high school girl moving in to a rural town isn't realistic" isnt sexist in the slightest. It gave very much Ico's devs excuse for no female protagonist saying "When using a ladder the player could look up her skirt." She doesn't have to wear a skirt!

[Evangelion]

Originally posted by mutantbeth:

you may not mind it but the fanbase would have my exact reaction if they ever made the sole protagonist a woman in a persona game. Its hypocritical. Even though jrpgs has a great track record with female protagonists (Estelle Bright, Velvet Crowe, Lightning, Ryza etc Even Ringo despite SH 2 not selling well people still loved her character).
And their excuse being that it's a game made for guys is sexist considering the female playerbase for persona and considering the other jrpgs with a primarily male audience that featured female protagonists at some point and sold well.

What are you yapping about? I never said persona was a game made for guys or that female protagonists in jrps can't be successful or liked. I said none of that, and I don't agree with any of it either. Most of my fav videogame characters are women, and there are plenty of examples of female protagonists being well liked

Persona 3's protagonist already exists, it's a very different situation

Originally posted by mutantbeth:

and while her route can change the fates of two important characters you literally have no idea if P3R will do that as well considering in the persona spin off games and in FES they purposefully leave on the one characters fates as ambiguous. And wheres the problem with that? Kotone literally has a social link with one of those two characters, getting close to them and giving them their cherished item that protects them. It doesn't undermine anything. Also Kotone has been featured in more artwork alongside the other protagonists funny how this is happening after the most problematic sexist dev leaves the team.

Yes it does, it undermines the story, characters and thematics of the game. If you had seen the movies you'd know how big of an impact that death truly had. And no, there is no indication that P3RE would do that, no characters fate was left ambiguous. In fact, they have already somewhat shown that characters death in the trailers

And it's pretty obvious as to why they use p3p artwork, maybe because it's currently the only available version to play and Atlus still want to sell as many copies until P3RE gets released...
I do indeed wonder how much artwork of p3p you'll still see after. And from what I've heard the old persona team went to work on Metaphor: ReFantazio, atlus next big project

[Queen Nothing]

I just find it infuriating that, even though they have no intention of actually including Kotone and Maya in projects, they'll happily market and capitalize on them all the time for promotional material.

[mutantbeth]

Originally posted by Ink:

I just find it infuriating that, even though they have no intention of actually including Kotone and Maya in projects, they'll happily market and capitalize on them all the time for promotional material.

+ + they included kotones music in the persona 3 dancing game but left out the girl the music was made for e.e

[Angelo4ek]

I bought only Persona 3 Portable and Persona 5R, because i can play female protagonist and thanks to the great mod dev "chlorophylls" who make mod female protagonist in P5R(that person maked alot work). I understand that always great when it exist in the start that function in the game, but like always mod devs do the all work, to make games better.

[SteelaiRizel]

Jester awards are plentiful in this day and age. I enjoy well written female protagonists , they are nice to have. But...it's not needed for Persona 3 Re. It's not canon, it was just included as a compromise and for sales. Something fun to do with the downgraded portable edition.

Now with a full new release with new content and updated for modern consumption there is no reason to include her. She just isn't important.

Now excuse me while i go watch Garden of Sinners again and enjoy a dam good female MC worth my time.

[Rematin]

no one cares about femc, its only you american sjws that are trying to start fake drama, P3 is perfect as it is without femc.

[Sirlion]

Originally posted by SteelaiRizel:

Now with a full new release with new content and updated for modern consumption there is no reason to include her. She just isn't important.

This post makes no sense. So because now there is a new version with modern graphics and QoL its okay to ditch Kotone.... what? The hell are you smoking man? If you have nothing to say, simply stay quiet. Unless of course you want that clown award... oh wait.

Originally posted by Rematin:

no one cares about femc, its only you american sjws that are trying to start fake drama, P3 is perfect as it is without femc.

I'm not american and I dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about wokeness but I still want her in. She has the same importance as MC and better social links. There was no reason for her to be in Q2 either still she got in and had her own protagonist theme. Why is that? I wonder....

[SteelaiRizel]

Originally posted by Sirlion:

Originally posted by SteelaiRizel:

Now with a full new release with new content and updated for modern consumption there is no reason to include her. She just isn't important.

This post makes no sense. So because now there is a new version with modern graphics and QoL its okay to ditch Kotone.... what? The hell are you smoking man? If you have nothing to say, simply stay quiet. Unless of course you want that clown award... oh wait.

Originally posted by Rematin:

no one cares about femc, its only you american sjws that are trying to start fake drama, P3 is perfect as it is without femc.

I'm not american and I dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about wokeness but I still want her in. She has the same importance as MC and better social links. There was no reason for her to be in Q2 either still she got in and had her own protagonist theme. Why is that? I wonder....

Cute. Because i didnt say what you wanted to hear i had nothing to say?

Right, you aren't to be taken seriously. I mean i could bite but it's already been explained. Which naturally you made sure to leave out in that quote right?

If you are going to nitpik and respond to a post, at least do it right, don't just a pick a spot that makes you look good. Thats twitter behavior.

Edit : Just looked at the other thread and realize you will even ignore anything the developer themselves say about it. You are DEFINITELY not to be taken seriously. I won't reply after this. You aren't worth the time after reading all those pages of your topic.

And yes i sat there and read several pages of posts. I do that. Regret it, but i did it.

[Sirlion]

Originally posted by SteelaiRizel:

Originally posted by Sirlion:

This post makes no sense. So because now there is a new version with modern graphics and QoL its okay to ditch Kotone.... what? The hell are you smoking man? If you have nothing to say, simply stay quiet. Unless of course you want that clown award... oh wait.



I'm not american and I dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about wokeness but I still want her in. She has the same importance as MC and better social links. There was no reason for her to be in Q2 either still she got in and had her own protagonist theme. Why is that? I wonder....

Cute. Because i didnt say what you wanted to hear i had nothing to say?

Right, you aren't to be taken seriously. I mean i could bite but it's already been explained. Which naturally you made sure to leave out in that quote right?

If you are going to nitpik and respond to a post, at least do it right, don't just a pick a spot that makes you look good. Thats twitter behavior.

Edit : Just looked at the other thread and realize you will even ignore anything the developer themselves say about it. You are DEFINITELY not to be taken seriously. I won't reply after this. You aren't worth the time after reading all those pages of your topic.

And yes i sat there and read several pages of posts. I do that. Regret it, but i did it.

kek. What's there to quote in your post? Nothing. Its useless. "Its not needed, its not canon". It absolutely is canon, simply happening in another universe, and "its not needed" is extremely subjective. Complete fanboy behavior at its finest.

Please feel free to not reply. You'd save face that way at least.

[NisseDood]

The game that needed FeMc the most was Persona4.
Not being able to romance peak character in the series Kanji is heresy.

[Sibirski Plavac]

Originally posted by SteelaiRizel:

Jester awards are plentiful in this day and age. I enjoy well written female protagonists , they are nice to have. But...it's not needed for Persona 3 Re. It's not canon, it was just included as a compromise and for sales. Something fun to do with the downgraded portable edition.

Now with a full new release with new content and updated for modern consumption there is no reason to include her. She just isn't important.

Now excuse me while i go watch Garden of Sinners again and enjoy a dam good female MC worth my time.

Exactly, she was added to P3P to compenstate for game being a huge downgrade on PSP compared to PS2, she isnt cannon nor important at all.

Originally posted by Rematin:

no one cares about femc, its only you american sjws that are trying to start fake drama, P3 is perfect as it is without femc.

Yeah, im sick and tierd of every game having to be "woke" its freaking bullcrap and annyoing.
those annoying SJW Wokes need to accept the fact that some of us will never support their woke ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[Sibirski Plavac]

Originally posted by Sirlion:

Originally posted by SteelaiRizel:

Now with a full new release with new content and updated for modern consumption there is no reason to include her. She just isn't important.

This post makes no sense. So because now there is a new version with modern graphics and QoL its okay to ditch Kotone.... what? The hell are you smoking man? If you have nothing to say, simply stay quiet. Unless of course you want that clown award... oh wait.

Originally posted by Rematin:

no one cares about femc, its only you american sjws that are trying to start fake drama, P3 is perfect as it is without femc.

I'm not american and I dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about wokeness but I still want her in. She has the same importance as MC and better social links. There was no reason for her to be in Q2 either still she got in and had her own protagonist theme. Why is that? I wonder....

No, they dont have to stay quiet, they like you have right to voice their opinion, you start drama the moment someone has different opinion than you

And no, she isnt important and has ♥♥♥♥ social links.

[Sibirski Plavac]

Originally posted by SteelaiRizel:

Originally posted by Sirlion:

This post makes no sense. So because now there is a new version with modern graphics and QoL its okay to ditch Kotone.... what? The hell are you smoking man? If you have nothing to say, simply stay quiet. Unless of course you want that clown award... oh wait.



I'm not american and I dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about wokeness but I still want her in. She has the same importance as MC and better social links. There was no reason for her to be in Q2 either still she got in and had her own protagonist theme. Why is that? I wonder....

Cute. Because i didnt say what you wanted to hear i had nothing to say?

Right, you aren't to be taken seriously. I mean i could bite but it's already been explained. Which naturally you made sure to leave out in that quote right?

If you are going to nitpik and respond to a post, at least do it right, don't just a pick a spot that makes you look good. Thats twitter behavior.

Edit : Just looked at the other thread and realize you will even ignore anything the developer themselves say about it. You are DEFINITELY not to be taken seriously. I won't reply after this. You aren't worth the time after reading all those pages of your topic.

And yes i sat there and read several pages of posts. I do that. Regret it, but i did it.

OP here is either trolling or an insane SJW