Large Caravel

[Buccanero]

The large caravel would be a fine addition in the early game. It's a little bit faster then the normal boat and has 5 rooms to use for freight. But you can't buy it in any shipyards and for building you need 700 tech lvl in Plymouth. That makes the boat absolutly useless because until you get a port with light keel to 700 tech you can buy in the meantime carracks or galleons with larger space. I think this should be reworked.

[Athurian13]

no need you just need learn trading to have good money and skill to make surrender beside the ship you need is not them but ship of the line

[Seraviel]

Ship of the Line is late game ship, unavailable for most of the story. I agree that there should be better early game options for ships, especially if you don't have access to Abdullah and his Ship Seizing Tactics and you're playing as Yun Mu or Andrew.

[Athurian13]

Originally posted by Seraviel:

Ship of the Line is late game ship, unavailable for most of the story. I agree that there should be better early game options for ships, especially if you don't have access to Abdullah and his Ship Seizing Tactics and you're playing as Yun Mu or Andrew.

then this you should do. trade and get money as much as you can. fight very easy and easy pirate bounty to rise your town contribution or you just need do some guild commision. with this you can rise your port tech to 1000. just invest 500k on it or invrst all cost 1.5 mil. my advice better rise trade and population first to make easy money. for andrew that already in europe just get those ship of the line blue print or you just use mat that have name large on it to get large ship in your port that already invest tech to 1000 but i have try use those low mat on the ship material shop still can got large galeon or carrak

[Buccanero]

I think you misunderstood my post, but it doesn't matter.

[Athurian13]

Originally posted by Buccanero:

I think you misunderstood my post, but it doesn't matter.

easy to understand. want to get easy stronger ship at the start without doing anything.

[Edwyndham]

No, he means that once you've put in the effort to get said ship, there are other better options to get instead so it has no real place in the progression.

[Athurian13]

Originally posted by Edwyndham:

No, he means that once you've put in the effort to get said ship, there are other better options to get instead so it has no real place in the progression.

it is still depend on your option. while i am doing speed run to clear 3 character i just need stealing large ship and even use only medium ship with port tec still 300. lucky i play with abdulah first so other character can also recruit ship in the end. so back again are you too lazy to make strategy or just need easy mode game.

[Buccanero]

Originally posted by Athurian13:

Originally posted by Edwyndham:

No, he means that once you've put in the effort to get said ship, there are other better options to get instead so it has no real place in the progression.

it is still depend on your option. while i am doing speed run to clear 3 character i just need stealing large ship and even use only medium ship with port tec still 300. lucky i play with abdulah first so other character can also recruit ship in the end. so back again are you too lazy to make strategy or just need easy mode game.

Be happy with your Abdullah, other people want to start with other characters and they are not LAZY. You should be a little bit more polite against people with an other intention. If I want to start with larger caravels, I'm not lazy and I don't need easy mode, I only gave a hint for the devs to eventually think about the logic behind. So what? Is it so hard to understand for you?

[Asakura Shinichi]

Originally posted by Buccanero:

Originally posted by Athurian13:

it is still depend on your option. while i am doing speed run to clear 3 character i just need stealing large ship and even use only medium ship with port tec still 300. lucky i play with abdulah first so other character can also recruit ship in the end. so back again are you too lazy to make strategy or just need easy mode game.

Be happy with your Abdullah, other people want to start with other characters and they are not LAZY. You should be a little bit more polite against people with an other intention. If I want to start with larger caravels, I'm not lazy and I don't need easy mode, I only gave a hint for the devs to eventually think about the logic behind. So what? Is it so hard to understand for you?

Obviously you need the easy mode cause early game you dont need a fast ship, travel distances are very short and you can easy trade with slower ships. In fact everywhere i see ppl crying and complaining the sees are empty, that they dont see random fleets, or that they cant reliably trade with those fleets cause they dont appear. Well of course they dont appear, if my 7Kn ship sails at 20Kn in auto sail than imagine the speed of a 10 or 12Kn ship, at 20 most of the time you will not even notice the npc fleets cause they literally fly through the screen so fast that some of them stay less than 0.5 second. If you get those fast ships even earlier than you will even less have the chance to see those npcs and complain even more that your game is empty when it clearly not.
And no the bug was fixed, its not that they dont spawn, but they trade everywhere like you do, many times seen japanese or chinese fleets in east africa trading after around 1-2 hours of playing.

[Fabulous Nathan]

i dont think difficulty or effort are even relevant in this post, OP is correct when they say some ships feel redundant , large caravel , brig , schooner, arabian galley imo .

in all 4 games i progressed as starter ship , galleon, large galleon clipper/ship of the line .

if at any point i found myself sailing a brig or large caravel it was because i went OUT OF MY WAY to sail them .

not sure how to remedy this apart from level locking them like uncharted waters online .

worth discussing though.

[Elmdor]

I agree with OP. All the shipbuilding being locked behind large money and time investments makes it take way to long to make it valuable. I had a fleet of ships of the line/clippers long before I built a single ship.

[Asakura Shinichi]

Originally posted by Torpon:

i dont think difficulty or effort are even relevant in this post, OP is correct when they say some ships feel redundant , large caravel , brig , schooner, arabian galley imo .

in all 4 games i progressed as starter ship , galleon, large galleon clipper/ship of the line .

if at any point i found myself sailing a brig or large caravel it was because i went OUT OF MY WAY to sail them .

not sure how to remedy this apart from level locking them like uncharted waters online .

worth discussing though.

You do know that each character has a different play style right? Andrew starts in best area regarding ships and amount of possible crew and he is aimed for trading, Abdullah has worst possible area regarding variety and quality of ships but he does not need to build them since he can take what he wants and is aimed at fighting pirates. Yun mu and Yoshitaka start in an average area, rather safe when it comes to piratesb with low account of crew members. Yun is aimed for exploration and Yoshitaka for shipbuilding. So as you see out of all characters only Yoshitaka ever cares for shipbuilding. As is now stuff is rather balanced for characters but if you make a change to make all ships easier to get you kill the sandbox part of the game and you ♥♥♥♥ up the balance. Cause while ships will be available easier crew will be same spread which will make playing as some characters pointless. But who cares, the devs are braindead trash who probably will do it, an listen to a bunch of crybabies that need easy modes and game holding their hand.

[Buccanero]

Obviously you didn't understand what I was talking about either, let's end this unfortunate discussion

[dollars202]

Man, you all just don't get it, he wants to be able to buy/make a large caravel in the shipyard at an earlier time of progression. As this is a lower class of medium ship it should be available at an earlier tech than the shipyards give it out. This would let encourage you to buy one as your first medium class ship instead of going straight to galleons.

[Athurian13]

the one i dont know how OP thinking is. if not really want to buy medium just stright to large why not just progress the town for speed up. my brother play yoshitaka after enter chapter 2 he aim atakabune before he start story although in story already provide many ship that later can be build. but still he use med ship just to making faster profit so he could investing town to reach max and later sell atakabune.