Is the game really this good?

[ingosupercute]

I kinda expected the game to really tank in user rating since they are re-selling the same product twice for the reason of turning a formerly finished product into a live service game with new DLCs and battle passes. Normally, this is exactly what people hate about the modern gaming landscape.

But since the reviews are very positive there has to be a really good quality game with lots of improvements behind the first appearance of simply cashing in? What makes this game so good?

And another question: I played the previous version for a couple of hours and I enjoyed it. Are the former DLC stages from there included in the base package this time?

I might consider picking up this game during summer sale or something, when it has a steep discount. I only play offline modes. Is it worth the upgrade?

[KaraPenguin]

The improvements upon the battle systems are all incredibly good and completely freshen up and change the way you play. The new characters are fun, a new stage or two got added and yes the extra stages from the first game are available.

However, if you only plan on playing offline, I will warn that the story mode is not the way it was in the original. They removed most of the rpg mode elements in order to streamline to story. No more weapon rolls, no more equipment sets. You still have the same combat and skills and bosses and all that, but the actual rpg elements are mostly gone.

Arcade mode is fun, but just like any arcade mode, it's rather limited in how much fun you can draw out of it. Fighting computer opponents repeatedly gets boring eventually. There's not too much else to say about the singleplayer, since RPG mode was what made the original's singleplayer content worth looking into.

On the bright side, if you want to try the game out and mess with some of the new mechanics, there is a free version that gives you access to most of the game's features (including almost all online features) and works on a character rotation system. Gives you Gran and then 3 other characters that swap weekly.

[ingosupercute]

Originally posted by Tofu:

However, if you only plan on playing offline, I will warn that the story mode is not the way it was in the original. They removed most of the rpg mode elements in order to streamline to story. No more weapon rolls, no more equipment sets. You still have the same combat and skills and bosses and all that, but the actual rpg elements are mostly gone.

On the bright side, if you want to try the game out and mess with some of the new mechanics, there is a free version that gives you access to most of the game's features

Oh I actually haven't even started the story mode of the first game. I only played for about ten hours or so in total and was mostly just doing arcade. Never had a really long session, only tiny bites here and there.

Thanks for telling me about the free version. Maybe I will check it out the next time I think about buying the game.

[Fish]

The new features added to this title are:
・4 new characters, each with unique intro and outro with all other characters in the game
・A new partner system where you can pick ANY of the playable character as commentary and they'll encourage/trash talk you. (btw, that is A LOT of new voice recording to be done, and the Japanese VAs for this game are all extremely expensive)
・New mechanism with Raging Strike + Raging Chain, and the Brave Point system means the overall pacing and game plan would be drastically different. With new mechanism comes with new things to watch out for, new ways you can extend combo, and new mind games to bait opponent into wasting BP, etc.
・Most characters (with a couple of exceptions) get 4 brand new ultimate version of their specials, which can be comboed into or out of, drastically changing up combo route options. Plus all characters get 3 new dash attacks as an universal mechanism, and all characters can do the new auto combo finisher (the high/low mix 3rd hit)
・Brand new lobby featuring new party game mode akin to Mario Party/Fall Guys
・A brand new act for the story mode (voice acted, and even featured a new original character)
・A new photo mode where you can pose characters with various prop and effect placement
・Of course, the much requested rollback netcode as well as crossplay

It's up to you to decide if the new additions are worth the cost, but they definitely did a lot more than just minor tweaks.

I will say, imo, the offline offering was more substantial in the first game, but the online play in Rising is magnitudes better overall.

[ingosupercute]

Originally posted by Fish:

The new features added to this title are:
・4 new characters, each with unique intro and outro with all other characters in the game
・A new partner system where you can pick ANY of the playable character as commentary and they'll encourage/trash talk you. (btw, that is A LOT of new voice recording to be done, and the Japanese VAs for this game are all extremely expensive)
・New mechanism with Raging Strike + Raging Chain, and the Brave Point system means the overall pacing and game plan would be drastically different. With new mechanism comes with new things to watch out for, new ways you can extend combo, and new mind games to bait opponent into wasting BP, etc.
・Most characters (with a couple of exceptions) get 4 brand new ultimate version of their specials, which can be comboed into or out of, drastically changing up combo route options. Plus all characters get 3 new dash attacks as an universal mechanism, and all characters can do the new auto combo finisher (the high/low mix 3rd hit)
・Brand new lobby featuring new party game mode akin to Mario Party/Fall Guys
・A brand new act for the story mode (voice acted, and even featured a new original character)
・A new photo mode where you can pose characters with various prop and effect placement
・Of course, the much requested rollback netcode as well as crossplay

It's up to you to decide if the new additions are worth the cost, but they definitely did a lot more than just minor tweaks.

I will say, imo, the offline offering was more substantial in the first game, but the online play in Rising is magnitudes better overall.

Phanx chu!

[Rikuto01]

The original game got a ton of free content post release despite it not having a very high active player count. In that sense, they sort of "earned" the right to do a payed renewal of the game. And since it has actual functional netcode now plus crossplay, anybody who was serious about the OG fell in love instantly.

[girly girl woman princess]

It sucks, this one has rollback and that's it, game's still stinks

[PeepeeStorm]

Originally posted by Rikuto01:

The original game got a ton of free content post release despite it not having a very high active player count. In that sense, they sort of "earned" the right to do a payed renewal of the game. And since it has actual functional netcode now plus crossplay, anybody who was serious about the OG fell in love instantly.

Hey! I watch you stream! But yeah. The game is good. Mind-games and cool characters with a lot to offer, as well playstyles that differ greatly. It's just a damn good game and its great that it's getting another chance.

[ingosupercute]

Originally posted by Rikuto01:

The original game got a ton of free content post release despite it not having a very high active player count. In that sense, they sort of "earned" the right to do a payed renewal of the game. And since it has actual functional netcode now plus crossplay, anybody who was serious about the OG fell in love instantly.

I mean... you make it sound like they sold they original game under value. But it was actually really expensive for a 2d fighter, had expensive DLC on top of that and was barely ever on sale. Like I waited about 2 years to get a reasonable discount for casual players...

[PeepeeStorm]

Originally posted by ingosupercute:

Originally posted by Rikuto01:

The original game got a ton of free content post release despite it not having a very high active player count. In that sense, they sort of "earned" the right to do a payed renewal of the game. And since it has actual functional netcode now plus crossplay, anybody who was serious about the OG fell in love instantly.

I mean... you make it sound like they sold they original game under value. But it was actually really expensive for a 2d fighter, had expensive DLC on top of that and was barely ever on sale. Like I waited about 2 years to get a reasonable discount for casual players...

Yeah, but you asked if it was good and why people like it, friend. Its smooth, low skill ceiling/high skill-floor gameplay with a wealth of modes and content in a franchise people enjoy but don't often get a lot of in english-speaking countries. In your case? only playing offline? You can try the free version when characters you wanna try are in rotation and see for yourself. The Story mode is stripped down mechanically, but thats a subjective change rather than objective.

[Rikuto01]

Originally posted by ingosupercute:

Originally posted by Rikuto01:

The original game got a ton of free content post release despite it not having a very high active player count. In that sense, they sort of "earned" the right to do a payed renewal of the game. And since it has actual functional netcode now plus crossplay, anybody who was serious about the OG fell in love instantly.

I mean... you make it sound like they sold they original game under value. But it was actually really expensive for a 2d fighter, had expensive DLC on top of that and was barely ever on sale. Like I waited about 2 years to get a reasonable discount for casual players...

I think we have wildly different takes on what reasonable pricing is, and that's fine.

[Cinnamoroll]

Originally posted by ingosupercute:

I kinda expected the game to really tank in user rating since they are re-selling the same product twice

This was your mistake, you saw the same product twice. Everyone else saw a whole new game because that's what it is. There's just some reused assets as their are with most sequels.

Originally posted by ingosupercute:

I might consider picking up this game during summer sale or something, when it has a steep discount. I only play offline modes. Is it worth the upgrade?

For offline play? No.
With RPG Mode turned into Story mode I'd say it's actually the inferior product of the two in this regard, not that I hold the original in particularly high regard in the single player department either. (Albeit better than most fighters...)
Unless you're desperate to see the rest of the story (so far), then I wouldn't bother.