Was Lowain's Super Skybound Art (Yggdrasil) nerfed?

[Stallion]

Call me a noob if you want, I don't care, but the reason I stopped playing the og online was because it only paired me with fkng Lowain players that easily killed me with Yggdrasil.

Yeah, I know you can evade most of her ♥♥♥♥ if you train enough, but it wasn't fun, when the game released she was a total pain in the ass, she always was, and I'm not alone in that. It's so fkng unfair that you are winning against someone who is a worst player than you, yet you still lose because they cowardly call a fkng giant that deals huge damage that can easily kill you in one little mistake, and you can't even stop him for doing so because it has invincibility on activation.

Her timer felt like an eternity for me, I'm not a pro or anything, far from it, but I knew how to play, yet I almost never was able to survive her in online matches (to all that I do have in consideration the lag that game had because no rollback, but still).

So, yeah, was Yggdrasil nerfed? And if she did, in what ways?... And how often you people find Lowain players in ranked?

I'm about to buy this game, but if I find out everyone in the lower ranks is using fkng Lowain I will honestly lose my mind.

I expect dumb people to come call me a noob and say dumb stuff like get gud and ♥♥♥♥, but as I said she was a pain in the ass, legit made me quit because the game just didn't stopped pairing me with Lowain players, and that was a shame because the few times I fought other characters online it was a blast, win or lose.

[Ninon Joubert]

As far as I know she wasn't nerfed. She was never very good. She certainly doesn't seem any different.
Honestly there were a couple of Lowains here and there but there is honestly worse stuff to worry about than Yggy in low ranks atm. Think most people would point at Siegfried since he's on the f2p rotation right now.

[Rai]

Im fighting s+ lowains and have no issue with ygg at most they get 1 hit. Ygg is basically a hail mary for these people Im more concerned with lowain himself and his regular SBA.

[幼蟲的紫大人]

I think you can now kill him when it's active, don't give it too much thought though I might be lying

[Aphelium]

Pretty sure iggy is way less annoying in this iteration of the game.
Dunno what they did to her, but I can consistently dodge and block everything that she throws at me, when in the last game I had some issues doing so.
Might also be the better netcode that helps us with that, who knows.
Better netcode it's a global buff/nerf for all chars if you ask me.

[maasas1ng]

I don't play this game, but I do watch lots of Lowain matches from GBVS days, and I've seen lots of high-level players coming out unscathed from Yggy's barrage of attacks. Obviously their skills don't represent the majority of players, but I do believe it's not impossible to minimize damage from her. If anything, I think they should've improved Yggy more so she's not a waste of full gauge. Lowain's still a bottom-tier (trash parry, bros and Katapillar don't trade with missiles, etc.) but he's still the most fun to watch for me. I like the changes he's getting in GBVSR but Yggy still looks... disappointing.

[Enju]

You do realize Ygg is just a mini game where you either jump dodge or roll right? But no, she hasn't been nerfed. You see one thing, you do the one that matches how to dodge it. And that's how it's always been.

[azureflame64]

Originally posted by 幼蟲的紫大人:

I think you can now kill him when it's active, don't give it too much thought though I might be lying

No, Yggy is still immortal, but this super was really good to begin with. It doesn't need a nerf. If anything, it was technically buffed because activating it removes 2 Brave Points from the opponent regardless of whether Yggy even hits you.

[BillHicks]

Checks: yup still killing scrubs.

[Ninon Joubert]

Originally posted by azureflame64:

Originally posted by 幼蟲的紫大人:

I think you can now kill him when it's active, don't give it too much thought though I might be lying

No, Yggy is still immortal, but this super was really good to begin with. It doesn't need a nerf. If anything, it was technically buffed because activating it removes 2 Brave Points from the opponent regardless of whether Yggy even hits you.

This is incorrect, neither of his supers take brave points from the opponent.

[Sanguinius]

Originally posted by maasas1ng:

I don't play this game, but I do watch lots of Lowain matches from GBVS days, and I've seen lots of high-level players coming out unscathed from Yggy's barrage of attacks. Obviously their skills don't represent the majority of players, but I do believe it's not impossible to minimize damage from her. If anything, I think they should've improved Yggy more so she's not a waste of full gauge. Lowain's still a bottom-tier (trash parry, bros and Katapillar don't trade with missiles, etc.) but he's still the most fun to watch for me. I like the changes he's getting in GBVSR but Yggy still looks... disappointing.

As a Lowain player Yggy isnt used for damage, HPA is already a very good ult. Yggy is just a get of jail free card for when youre getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the corner. The damage is just extra.

[Toyosatomimi no Miko]

Originally posted by Not the Protagonist:

Originally posted by azureflame64:

No, Yggy is still immortal, but this super was really good to begin with. It doesn't need a nerf. If anything, it was technically buffed because activating it removes 2 Brave Points from the opponent regardless of whether Yggy even hits you.

This is incorrect, neither of his supers take brave points from the opponent.

And you are incorrect as well. HPA takes 1 BP away if you land the finishing blow. And Yuguyugu removes 2BP if you land a hit, but only on the first hit... I think? I need to double check Yggy actually because I think she either removes 1BP a hit until you've taken 2 from the opponent or it's just 2BP on that first hit if you manage to land anything.

Also, OP, just spotdodge and jump-block, it's that simple. Block the spikes, block/jump-block the succ orb, jump/spotdodge the fire, and jump-block the big orb. If they try to trap you with the big-orb-into-fire just jump-block the orb and the blockstun will save you from getting hit by the fire.

[Fish]

Originally posted by Toyosatomimi no Miko:

Originally posted by Not the Protagonist:

This is incorrect, neither of his supers take brave points from the opponent.

And you are incorrect as well. HPA takes 1 BP away if you land the finishing blow. And Yuguyugu removes 2BP if you land a hit, but only on the first hit... I think? I need to double check Yggy actually because I think she either removes 1BP a hit until you've taken 2 from the opponent or it's just 2BP on that first hit if you manage to land anything.

Also, OP, just spotdodge and jump-block, it's that simple. Block the spikes, block/jump-block the succ orb, jump/spotdodge the fire, and jump-block the big orb. If they try to trap you with the big-orb-into-fire just jump-block the orb and the blockstun will save you from getting hit by the fire.

I recall it's the unblockable magma that takes away BP.

[Fish]

To OP's point, Yggy was somewhat busted in the original under delay based netcode in some instances, but ultimately, all of her attacks have a unique start up animation, and can be dodged. With rollback netcode, she is significantly easier to deal with. She herself doesn't seem all that different but the change in netcode is an "indirect nerf" to her effectiveness I'd say.

With some practice, you can tell which attack she'll use just by looking at her hands' motion and you can then respond accordingly.

[Ninon Joubert]

Originally posted by Toyosatomimi no Miko:

Originally posted by Not the Protagonist:

This is incorrect, neither of his supers take brave points from the opponent.

And you are incorrect as well. HPA takes 1 BP away if you land the finishing blow. And Yuguyugu removes 2BP if you land a hit, but only on the first hit... I think? I need to double check Yggy actually because I think she either removes 1BP a hit until you've taken 2 from the opponent or it's just 2BP on that first hit if you manage to land anything.

Also, OP, just spotdodge and jump-block, it's that simple. Block the spikes, block/jump-block the succ orb, jump/spotdodge the fire, and jump-block the big orb. If they try to trap you with the big-orb-into-fire just jump-block the orb and the blockstun will save you from getting hit by the fire.

IF you hit. On their own they do not.
But ok smart ass. LOL
Sorry for not giving the class the paragraph rundown. In Yggy's case she does take one away per hit, but only when you use Nether Veil.

[Tram]

Thank you for reminding me Lowain actually exist, I had forgotten since no one plays him (them? Lowaingang)