Lack of offense

[Y0ur 53np41]

66L. Is that it?? Everybody is playing only whiffpunish because it seems to be the only way to play.

[Paff]

I prefer it this way because that way you can play footsies, grab, or raging strike mix up, etc.. different character in this game also already have a very oppresive pressure when played right like zeta... if the enemy keep whiff punishing you than you might want to bait the to use their special and punish...

[Fish]

66L is strong but it's def not it.
Other options depend on the situation and what character you're playing.

Projectiles, any kind of gap closer specials, or just standing heavy normal to contest your opponent's approach if you know they're coming, etc.

There is no one-size-fits-all answer and you'll always need to take the match up into consideration but 66L is def not the only option. It is great pressure tool no doubt but repeated use also results in being predictable, and can be easily countered by a DP/Super, or just get crushed by a heavy normal or a H. special.

[ice]

no

also cry about it and play a different game if you only want to run offense, there is more to fighting games than that although this is hard for the monkey brain to comprehend

[The Dapper Dragon]

Originally posted by Fish:

66L is strong but it's def not it.
Other options depend on the situation and what character you're playing.

Projectiles, any kind of gap closer specials, or just standing heavy normal to contest your opponent's approach if you know they're coming, etc.

There is no one-size-fits-all answer and you'll always need to take the match up into consideration but 66L is def not the only option. It is great pressure tool no doubt but repeated use also results in being predictable, and can be easily countered by a DP/Super, or just get crushed by a heavy normal or a H. special.

I adore 66L.
Spot dodge it, and then just beat them to death. It's hilarious.

[Dray]

Originally posted by The Dapper Dragon:

Originally posted by Fish:

66L is strong but it's def not it.
Other options depend on the situation and what character you're playing.

Projectiles, any kind of gap closer specials, or just standing heavy normal to contest your opponent's approach if you know they're coming, etc.

There is no one-size-fits-all answer and you'll always need to take the match up into consideration but 66L is def not the only option. It is great pressure tool no doubt but repeated use also results in being predictable, and can be easily countered by a DP/Super, or just get crushed by a heavy normal or a H. special.

I adore 66L.
Spot dodge it, and then just beat them to death. It's hilarious.

What the ♥♥♥♥? No. Don't listen to this person. The dodge animation is 29 frames. The 66L animation is 20 frames, which means the person doing 66L will have 9 frames of advantage if you attempt to dodge it. If you try to press a button after dodging a 66L you will eat a full combo.

Example:
https://imgur.com/IYzOB5t

[PewPew]

Originally posted by Dray:

Originally posted by The Dapper Dragon:

I adore 66L.
Spot dodge it, and then just beat them to death. It's hilarious.

What the ♥♥♥♥? No. Don't listen to this person. The dodge animation is 29 frames. The 66L animation is 20 frames, which means the person doing 66L will have 9 frames of advantage if you attempt to dodge it. If you try to press a button after dodging a 66L you will eat a full combo.

Example:
https://imgur.com/IYzOB5t

I agree that guy has no idea what they are saying, and whatever they are on, it's probably best they keep it to themselves.

[Infevo]

If you give people too many offensive options you will end up with a game where defensive skill does not pay off as much as offensive skill. By that, not only are you alienating players who are patient and disciplined in defense and excel at finding the gap, but you will also encourage kusoge type of behavior where everyone just keeps swinging and trying to maximize the number of turns instead of maximizing the quality of their approaches.

I firmly believe the main appeal in games like GBVSFR is that you have to work for your openings and it is as strike/throw as a game can be versus many modern games that allow you to brute-force yourself into easy 50% damage each time you get the opponent to block.

While you want more offense people are bothered by 66L (I personally do not mind it). Maybe you should reconsider whether this game is for you. I recently played MK1 and suffered through roughly 300 hours of this torture. This game may be for you. It is all about offense and defense is useless unless you lab the game and every single character for a year.

[Squidvasion]

I will say this, when I'm playing as Vaseraga the 66L is a real pain to deal since he's so slow and can't utilize 66L as efficiently as the rest of the cast. his ultimates sometimes dont come out fast enough. i really need to truly figure out when its best to use his ultimates

[ELDEN LORD]

i ahve 100 hoours in this game, i have 2k hours in sf6. i have allready played more footsies in this game.
hah

[ELDEN LORD]

Originally posted by The Dapper Dragon:

Originally posted by Fish:

66L is strong but it's def not it.
Other options depend on the situation and what character you're playing.

Projectiles, any kind of gap closer specials, or just standing heavy normal to contest your opponent's approach if you know they're coming, etc.

There is no one-size-fits-all answer and you'll always need to take the match up into consideration but 66L is def not the only option. It is great pressure tool no doubt but repeated use also results in being predictable, and can be easily countered by a DP/Super, or just get crushed by a heavy normal or a H. special.

I adore 66L.
Spot dodge it, and then just beat them to death. It's hilarious.

thats what im saying u can just dodge it then puniish them, they usually spam it less, depenindg how stubborn they are. hell ive played against people where if they miss a grab they'll continue to grab till they finally get me, its part of there routine and their brain goes haywire if they dont get it lol . i currently have a bad habbit right now of wanting to do belials 66h to much, i just love the bootkick style, looks so cool

[Nauct]

I frame trap and when they get scared of that or they just keep blocking throw them

[Nauct]

Originally posted by The Dapper Dragon:

Originally posted by Fish:

66L is strong but it's def not it.
Other options depend on the situation and what character you're playing.

Projectiles, any kind of gap closer specials, or just standing heavy normal to contest your opponent's approach if you know they're coming, etc.

There is no one-size-fits-all answer and you'll always need to take the match up into consideration but 66L is def not the only option. It is great pressure tool no doubt but repeated use also results in being predictable, and can be easily countered by a DP/Super, or just get crushed by a heavy normal or a H. special.

I adore 66L.
Spot dodge it, and then just beat them to death. It's hilarious.

A lot of noobs spam dodge on defense, so I just spam lights/throws. Safest pressure beats dodge, it's only to call out big commitment moves

[Saya]

Originally posted by blinkninja1:

Originally posted by The Dapper Dragon:

I adore 66L.
Spot dodge it, and then just beat them to death. It's hilarious.

thats what im saying u can just dodge it then puniish them, they usually spam it less, depenindg how stubborn they are. hell ive played against people where if they miss a grab they'll continue to grab till they finally get me, its part of there routine and their brain goes haywire if they dont get it lol . i currently have a bad habbit right now of wanting to do belials 66h to much, i just love the bootkick style, looks so cool

Imagine still being in D rank after 100h of playtime.

[Inuakurei]

Imagine creating a game with so little mix you have to make a "guard break button"

[kn1ghtsabre]

Isn't there a shield break attack that strikes through block?