Disappointed with lack of Mouse support

[MEMPHIS]

So basically, this game sucks with the mouse.

I know what you guys are thinking, "What are you talking about - the game works fine on the PC!" To which I would have to agree.... except I can't remap any function on my mouse.

My experience with the game is that I am basically doing every important function of the game with the keyboard - my left hand. Running, jumping, moving, focus, use, weapon selection - all of this is done with one hand while my right hand (the mouse) hardly does anything. And what's worse? I can't remap anything to the mouse.

This just makes a frustrating experience since I usually like playing games with custom button configurations that are comfortable to me. This game isn't comfortable, and it doesn't let me make it comfortable.

It seems like a good game, but unless I can remap my keys... it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to play it.

[Optimus Princeps]

Originally posted by KravenMoorhead:

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If I wanted to play with a controller I would play console games. I like the mouse and keyboard and he is right that it is bs you cant change anything.

[Lucratius]

I think you are exagerrating, I don't see the problem in having all keys bind to the keyboard (except the grapple hook+takedown). While yes, it would be nice to have the item key bound to the mouse you most of the time use them in focus stance anyway, where you use the mouse buttin to trigger them. Please explain me which key hinders you from playing this game...

[MEMPHIS]

Originally posted by Caberman:

I think you are exagerrating, I don't see the problem in having all keys bind to the keyboard (except the grapple hook+takedown). While yes, it would be nice to have the item key bound to the mouse you most of the time use them in focus stance anyway, where you use the mouse buttin to trigger them. Please explain me which key hinders you from playing this game...

So I'm exxagerating about how I find the controls uncomfortable, and the game doesn't let me remap the controls the way I want them? And because of this, I'm exxagerating about how I find this game to be a very frustrating experience? Not only is it exaggerated, but I'm not allowed to expect to play a game comfortably without frustration related to the fact that I am uncomfortable? I dunno man... that seems like a reasonable expectation for any game.

I swear. It never fails to amaze me how some people simply don't think about what they're saying before they say it.

Look - all I want is the ability to remap my mouse buttons the way I want them. Why is this a hard concept for people to grasp? You'd think I was insulting their mother.

[Dorok]

I agree it's weird and uncommon to be able remap keyboard keys but not at all mouse buttons. Myself I used my mouse software to bind one of the 4 mouse button to simulate a keyboard key, but kept the functions for LMB and RMB.

Frankly they are very handy mouse controls, the RMB use for grappling, hide, unhide, shoot, interact, take item/corpse, drop corpse. THE LMB for killing. Have you noticed that you need point stuff with the cursor to allow all those mouse commands?

I wonder what you want bind to your MB. But ok if you want weird controls setup you feel it's your problem and the problem of the game is to not allow it. There's the general position for which I agree with you, and the specific context of the game and I agree but I consider that in this game it's a very minor problem.

EDIT: In Torchlight 2 there's the same problem for the LMB not allowed for some setup, it didn't broke the game for me, but I felt it bothering up to stop play long range characters. Yeah not many players felt it like I did. I mean I understand your opinion even if myself I consider it a minor problem for this game.

EDIT: What's shocking is your TOTALLY WRONG thread title, the mouse support is quite big see above. You should complain only about lack of mouse buttons custom binding.

[MEMPHIS]

Originally posted by Dorok:

I agree it's weird and uncommon to be able remap keyboard keys but not at all mouse buttons. Myself I used my mouse software to bind one of the 4 mouse button to simulate a keyboard key, but kept the functions for LMB and RMB.

Frankly they are very handy mouse controls, the RMB use for grappling, hide, unhide, shoot, interact, take item/corpse, drop corpse. THE LMB for killing. Have you noticed that you need point stuff with the cursor to allow all those mouse commands?

I wonder what you want bind to your MB. But ok if you want weird controls setup you feel it's your problem and the problem of the game is to not allow it. There's the general position for which I agree with you, and the specific context of the game and I agree but I consider that in this game it's a very minor problem.

EDIT: In Torchlight 2 there's the same problem for the LMB not allowed for some setup, it didn't broke the game for me, but I felt it bothering up to stop play long range characters. Yeah not many players felt it like I did. I mean I understand your opinion even if myself I consider it a minor problem for this game.

EDIT: What's shocking is your TOTALLY WRONG thread title, the mouse support is quite big see above. You should complain only about lack of mouse buttons custom binding.

Not being able to map mouse buttons IS a lack of mouse support. Not being allowed to map additional buttons is one thing, which by the way is pretty retarded in this day and age as even the most common suppliers of gaming mice (Logitech) supplies each mouse with at least two additional buttons. I mean, it's more uncommon to be playing this game with a mouse WITHOUT extra buttons than it is to be playing with a mouse that does. But, never mind that. I can't even reassign the two basic buttons EVERY mouse has - LMB and RMB. This is not mouse support.

I won't argue that the mouse isn't functional. It works perfectly fine. But there is no support for it. I think the title of my thread was pretty much spot on.

[VraN]

Originally posted by MEMPHIS:

Originally posted by Dorok:

I agree it's weird and uncommon to be able remap keyboard keys but not at all mouse buttons. Myself I used my mouse software to bind one of the 4 mouse button to simulate a keyboard key, but kept the functions for LMB and RMB.

Frankly they are very handy mouse controls, the RMB use for grappling, hide, unhide, shoot, interact, take item/corpse, drop corpse. THE LMB for killing. Have you noticed that you need point stuff with the cursor to allow all those mouse commands?

I wonder what you want bind to your MB. But ok if you want weird controls setup you feel it's your problem and the problem of the game is to not allow it. There's the general position for which I agree with you, and the specific context of the game and I agree but I consider that in this game it's a very minor problem.

EDIT: In Torchlight 2 there's the same problem for the LMB not allowed for some setup, it didn't broke the game for me, but I felt it bothering up to stop play long range characters. Yeah not many players felt it like I did. I mean I understand your opinion even if myself I consider it a minor problem for this game.

EDIT: What's shocking is your TOTALLY WRONG thread title, the mouse support is quite big see above. You should complain only about lack of mouse buttons custom binding.

Not being able to map mouse buttons IS a lack of mouse support. Not being allowed to map additional buttons is one thing, which by the way is pretty retarded in this day and age as even the most common suppliers of gaming mice (Logitech) supplies each mouse with at least two additional buttons. I mean, it's more uncommon to be playing this game with a mouse WITHOUT extra buttons than it is to be playing with a mouse that does. But, never mind that. I can't even reassign the two basic buttons EVERY mouse has - LMB and RMB. This is not mouse support.

I won't argue that the mouse isn't functional. It works perfectly fine. But there is no support for it. I think the title of my thread was pretty much spot on.

Try use mouse SW -> macro.

[hotcrawsbuns]

Look, if you play a lot of PC games, you're gonna need more peripherals than just mouse/kb. Being stubborn about it is only going to make you miserable. A gamepad is a must in this day and age of console ports and cross-platform gaming. You really are missing a lot of cool things if you don't have a controller, not just in this game but in many others (Witcher 2 comes to mind).

[Poutrelle]

Originally posted by Eddie Van Blundht:

Look, if you play a lot of PC games, you're gonna need more peripherals than just mouse/kb. Being stubborn about it is only going to make you miserable. A gamepad is a must in this day and age of console ports and cross-platform gaming. You really are missing a lot of cool things if you don't have a controller, not just in this game but in many others (Witcher 2 comes to mind).

Those game are made for controller, not for Kb/mouse, ok. FPS are make for kb/mouse, not gamepad, but they've put some work on making it viable on gamepad.
Since a lot of gamepad are just to small for my hands, I dont want any of them. Why devs dont spend time optimising mouse+kb UI = especially when it's a PC GAME.....
Gamepad smell defeat. They're good to nothing. FPS => mousekb. RTS => mouse/kb. Car race => wheel. Flying game => joystick. Fighting game/plateformer => arcade stick...

Gamepads are good at nothing and are freaking expensive for no precision.

[Ripper]

this is why a controller will always be superior to the mouse and keyboard. no hassle, no remapping, no complaining. plug and play (with much more comfort and mobility than a mouse/keyboard)

[Kanck]

Just get a controller.

And Laey, your arguments are complete bullwank. Most, if not all platformers are better with a controller. In fact, most if not all 3rd person games are also better with a controller. Have you ever tried playing zelda games with an emulator on the pc? it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. You're massively cheapening the experience for yourself because you're too stubborn to just buy a controller. They're cheap as hell, they come in lots of different shapes and sizes to fit your "big hands" and they massively improve your experience for tons of games. You're like a vegetarian whining about the selection at a butcher's. Just get a controller.

[MEMPHIS]

Originally posted by Ripper:

this is why a controller will always be superior to the mouse and keyboard. no hassle, no remapping, no complaining. plug and play (with much more comfort and mobility than a mouse/keyboard)

Until you play a game that doesn't support one....

[hotcrawsbuns]

Originally posted by Laey:

Originally posted by Eddie Van Blundht:

Look, if you play a lot of PC games, you're gonna need more peripherals than just mouse/kb. Being stubborn about it is only going to make you miserable. A gamepad is a must in this day and age of console ports and cross-platform gaming. You really are missing a lot of cool things if you don't have a controller, not just in this game but in many others (Witcher 2 comes to mind).

Those game are made for controller, not for Kb/mouse, ok. FPS are make for kb/mouse, not gamepad, but they've put some work on making it viable on gamepad.
Since a lot of gamepad are just to small for my hands, I dont want any of them. Why devs dont spend time optimising mouse+kb UI = especially when it's a PC GAME.....
Gamepad smell defeat. They're good to nothing. FPS => mousekb. RTS => mouse/kb. Car race => wheel. Flying game => joystick. Fighting game/plateformer => arcade stick...

Gamepads are good at nothing and are freaking expensive for no precision.

I get your point, and in and ideal world every game dev would port controls to any input device and make sure they are optimized or customizable. The reality is, they don't do that, and you really do need to either buy a gamepad, or avoid these games that do not play well with mouse/keyboard.

[MEMPHIS]

Originally posted by Eddie Van Bludht:

Originally posted by Laey:

Those game are made for controller, not for Kb/mouse, ok. FPS are make for kb/mouse, not gamepad, but they've put some work on making it viable on gamepad.
Since a lot of gamepad are just to small for my hands, I dont want any of them. Why devs dont spend time optimising mouse+kb UI = especially when it's a PC GAME.....
Gamepad smell defeat. They're good to nothing. FPS => mousekb. RTS => mouse/kb. Car race => wheel. Flying game => joystick. Fighting game/plateformer => arcade stick...

Gamepads are good at nothing and are freaking expensive for no precision.

I get your point, and in and ideal world every game dev would port controls to any input device and make sure they are optimized or customizable. The reality is, they don't do that, and you really do need to either buy a gamepad, or avoid these games that do not play well with mouse/keyboard.

In an ideal world, we wouldn't have to lower our standards because others are lazy.

[Nuclear Kangaroo]

Originally posted by Ripper:

this is why a controller will always be superior to the mouse and keyboard. no hassle, no remapping, no complaining. plug and play (with much more comfort and mobility than a mouse/keyboard)

i dont believe you never had to remap the buttons of a controller, its impossible that you liked the setup of every single game youve played

Originally posted by Panda del muerte:

Originally posted by KravenMoorhead:

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If I wanted to play with a controller I would play console games. I like the mouse and keyboard and he is right that it is bs you cant change anything.

the fact on PC you have the option to play with either a controller or a keyboard is a good thing, not a bad one, one of the many many freedoms the platform provides

also it plays almost flawlessly with a keyboard anyways

[geistmensch]

No mouse support? Funny how my mouse and keyboard work perfectly. But the game is more fun when you use a gamepad.