ratadrabik needs a ban in brawl

[Lord Tony]

the commander was fine until they introduced those new LOTR cards now he goes infinite with over 10+ cards

this was an interaction that did not exist until LOTR and this commander was not intended to be abused like that.

[Nubbles]

Originally posted by Lord_Tony_Prime TTV:

read the card

they didn't foresee the ring ability when they made this ♥♥♥♥ and it shows

How do you know what was foreseen and what was not?

Switching the word intent with foresee in your statements isn't evidence and still proves nothing.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

An alchemy change could only apply ratrabricks trigger to only nontoken creatures. That would stop it from going infinite

[DontMisunderstand]

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

An alchemy change could only apply ratrabricks trigger to only nontoken creatures. That would stop it from going infinite

Alchemy is actually the theoretically best format for this exact reason. They can fix every problem in the game simply by choosing to try, and any mistake they make along the way can also be fixed. That's something they literally cannot do in any other way.

[Lord Tony]

clearly was not intended to be used with the lotr cards

[Lord Tony]

Originally posted by Nox:

Originally posted by Lord_Tony_Prime TTV:

read the card

they didn't foresee the ring ability when they made this ♥♥♥♥ and it shows

How do you know what was foreseen and what was not?

Switching the word intent with foresee in your statements isn't evidence and still proves nothing.

Are you not reading the card ?

If they foresaw lotr effects would dramatically buff ratadrabik they would have added a "nontoken" clause to the effect.

They didn't do that

Ratadrabik was fine until LOTR

[Nubbles]

The only argument presented here to ban or change it, is that it's effect is unintended, which is still unproven.

If it'd be based on strength of the commander, this whole thread would be even more ridiculous since it just isn't very strong at all.

It's much too slow to keep up with commanders like ragavan, fynn, balmor, adeline, raffine, anim pakal and it just can't protect it's combo's against rusko, te5eri, malcolm or uro and the combo's that can be created with emry, old stick fingers and crucias are just faster, more consistent and more resilient to disruption.

Looking at the competitive results, ratadrabik has only been tried since lotr and still hasn't performed very well with the lotr cards.

[Nubbles]

Originally posted by Lord_Tony_Prime TTV:

Originally posted by Nox:

How do you know what was foreseen and what was not?

Switching the word intent with foresee in your statements isn't evidence and still proves nothing.

Are you not reading the card ?

If they foresaw lotr effects would dramatically buff ratadrabik they would have added a "nontoken" clause to the effect.

They didn't do that

Ratadrabik was fine until LOTR

From this point on you can assume everyone here is familiar with the card.

I think I'm more familiar with it than you, since there is nothing about the intentions wotc has with this card and lotr mechanics printed on the card yet you keep refering to it when I ask for proof of the intent. It's not on the card.

[Kurt Angle's Neck]

Originally posted by Lord_Tony_Prime TTV:

clearly was not intended to be used with the lotr cards

You can claim that as many times as you want, it's never going to make it true.

Originally posted by Lord_Tony_Prime TTV:

Are you not reading the card ?

Everyone in this thread has read the card. We understand your concern.

Originally posted by Lord_Tony_Prime TTV:

If they foresaw lotr effects would dramatically buff ratadrabik they would have added a "nontoken" clause to the effect.

Or, you know... they DID forsee that LotR effects would dramatically buff Ratadrabik, and didn't see any issue with it, which is likely the case because it's nowhere near as OP as many many other combos that can be made in this game (and format).

Originally posted by Lord_Tony_Prime TTV:

Ratadrabik was fine until LOTR

And still is.

[Lord Tony]

he's infinite with over 20 cards now

[Nubbles]

Originally posted by Lord_Tony_Prime TTV:

he's infinite with over 20 cards now

Which still does not prove it wasn't intended.

In case it wasn't clear yet, I do not want rata banned. I don't play him, but people still try to make him work and it adds to my easy daily wins.

[Lord Tony]

Originally posted by Nox:

Originally posted by Lord_Tony_Prime TTV:

he's infinite with over 20 cards now

Which still does not prove it wasn't intended.

In case it wasn't clear yet, I do not want rata banned. I don't play him, but people still try to make him work and it adds to my easy daily wins.

you're clearly not reading the card this interaction was not intended

the ability shuts off because the tokens it makes are no longer legendary

nazguls become legendary on etb

[Nubbles]

Originally posted by Lord_Tony_Prime TTV:

Originally posted by Nox:

Which still does not prove it wasn't intended.

In case it wasn't clear yet, I do not want rata banned. I don't play him, but people still try to make him work and it adds to my easy daily wins.

you're clearly not reading the card this interaction was not intended

the ability shuts off because the tokens it makes are no longer legendary

nazguls become legendary on etb

Again, everybody here has read the card. We all also know the lotr mechanics. Neither says anything about wotc's intentions.

[Lord Tony]

so this card was made before legend ETBs

there is "alchemy" now

so instead of banning the card have it have a non-token clause.

[Nubbles]

Originally posted by Lord_Tony_Prime TTV:

so this card was made before legend ETBs

there is "alchemy" now

so instead of banning the card have it have a non-token clause.

why?

[Lord Tony]

Originally posted by Nox:

Originally posted by Lord_Tony_Prime TTV:

so this card was made before legend ETBs

there is "alchemy" now

so instead of banning the card have it have a non-token clause.

why?

Now you don't even want a compromise.

If meathook massacre got nerfed to remove the lifegain in historic brawl I don't see why ratadrabik can't be nerfed to add the non-token part.