MTA the most RIGGED ever played

[Belleh]

facts

[DontMisunderstand]

Цитата допису KunouNoHana:

Цитата допису DontMisunderstand:

This doesn't provide any information on what this supposedly is, how it works, or where they got the info from. Even the one who posted it explicitly says that they don't KNOW what it actually means. In other words, this is random garbage data with no value, even IF we presume that the data itself is correct.

Reading further, it's even MORE ridiculous. The entire train of thought stems from an extremely obvious mistake in reading comprehension, so it's no surprise that the endpoint is an assertion that fundamentally relies on the idea that you can reach a negative number by adding together only positive numbers.

Ah, you didn't read it, nice. Link in the top comment is to another thread that details how this was discovered. https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/1d0fmvu/my_deck_got_banned_in_brawl_for_being_too_weak/

I did read it, that's how I came to the conclusions I did. The idiot saw an error code that said "your deck is invalid for this format" and immediately assumed the problem was some magical conspiracy, instead of an error occurring during an update... which they themselves said was definitely the case, without any self-awareness of the fact that what THEY are saying shows that their process is flawed in a way that invalidates all the data stemming from it.

[KunouNoHana]

Цитата допису DontMisunderstand:

Цитата допису KunouNoHana:

Ah, you didn't read it, nice. Link in the top comment is to another thread that details how this was discovered. https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/1d0fmvu/my_deck_got_banned_in_brawl_for_being_too_weak/

I did read it, that's how I came to the conclusions I did. The idiot saw an error code that said "your deck is invalid for this format" and immediately assumed the problem was some magical conspiracy, instead of an error occurring during an update... which they themselves said was definitely the case, without any self-awareness of the fact that what THEY are saying shows that their process is flawed in a way that invalidates all the data stemming from it.

Except if it were just a glitch, it wouldn't have been possible to get actual values for nearly every card in the format with a bit of math. The values for some commanders being set to negative numbers probably IS a bug, but the rest of it is just doing a little bit of algebra and submitting known numbers to figure out the values of additional cards.

They didn't ASSUME it was a conspiracy, they posted about it, and other people did experiments with isolated variables. There is 100% without a doubt a deck weighting system. There is a list of the experimentally derived weights of cards. Given the weights of a few known problem commanders being incredibly high compared to the average we can then extrapolate that this is probably directly related to the matchmaking system that Wizards has explicitly said exists in Brawl. https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/jxz8t5/is_something_broken_with_the_matchmaking_for/gd0229q/?context=3

As far as non-ranked modes go, they've literally just said "Hey, we weight the decks by power level", we found the system that's rating them. Please stop decrying it as a conspiracy.

I'd say this isn't rocket science, but this is literally the scientific method. We try a thing, we change a variable, we try the thing again to see what changes.

[Fox]

The weight of the deck cannot be true for things not connected to brawl. lets say historic you have some 250 card decks running in the 2k weight running into the same types as a 60 card trimmed down bum deck with trash 6 weight cards.

just feels too random after testing... but then again i only played like 10 rounds.. so maybe its too soon to say?

[CommanderGreven]

Let's see one thing... if matchmaking is biased in basic core dual decks, where is extremely rare play against your same deck; why they wouldn't do similar practice if it benefits, somehow, the game? And if they do it or not, how can playerbase know it certainly? in any of both senses?

[DontMisunderstand]

Цитата допису KunouNoHana:

Except if it were just a glitch, it wouldn't have been possible to get actual values for nearly every card in the format with a bit of math. The values for some commanders being set to negative numbers probably IS a bug, but the rest of it is just doing a little bit of algebra and submitting known numbers to figure out the values of additional cards.

They didn't ASSUME it was a conspiracy, they posted about it, and other people did experiments with isolated variables. There is 100% without a doubt a deck weighting system. There is a list of the experimentally derived weights of cards. Given the weights of a few known problem commanders being incredibly high compared to the average we can then extrapolate that this is probably directly related to the matchmaking system that Wizards has explicitly said exists in Brawl. https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/jxz8t5/is_something_broken_with_the_matchmaking_for/gd0229q/?context=3

As far as non-ranked modes go, they've literally just said "Hey, we weight the decks by power level", we found the system that's rating them. Please stop decrying it as a conspiracy.

I'd say this isn't rocket science, but this is literally the scientific method. We try a thing, we change a variable, we try the thing again to see what changes.

The variable in question is a deck construction variable. Not a matchmaking variable, a deck construction variable. It declared the deck itself invalid for the format. As in, the variable in question must be directly related to whether cards are legal in that format. These are the actual facts that can be gleaned from the error message they got. However those are NOT what their data is based on; their data is based on things that cannot be gleaned from the information they gathered.

The scientific method isn't random... it starts knowing the answer (we call that a hypothesis), and we remove variables to test very specifically in what ways that answer holds up to scrutiny. It's not a process of discovery, it's a process of verification. For whatever reason, that person's game data returns an invalid status for a deck that should be legal. The first variable we need to solve for is game data integrity, in this case, a variable that the poster themselves recognized as a factor that would invalidate their testing.

Testing is for disproving a hypothesis. That's literally the point of experimentation. And you can test this data for yourself too. Properly eliminate the variables, build the deck as they describe it, and if it doesn't say the deck is invalid, that disproves the hypothesis.

[mwesthoff]

I hate to say, "I told you so".

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

My youtube algorithm showed me a video on the brawl weights. This chick does a good walkthrough of it for 40 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q50t8BvWrsU&t=676s

the spreadsheet link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tf3fANllMMd-qh-6GeQGAvN8GyIBxx6dLdug9AexT54/edit#gid=880392961 found at https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/1d0pih7/spreadsheet_of_card_weights_for_brawl/

If its proven to be true, its no longer a theory. Its a conspiracy in fact, and those people are conspiracy analysts, not conspiracy theorists.

Confirmation of what I was intuitively feeling about some cards.

I'm in favor of transparency. Waiting for the 3rd party apps to include deck weights into some kind of builder. It would be great if WotC would do it though

[Belleh]

Цитата допису ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

My youtube algorithm showed me a video on the brawl weights. This chick does a good walkthrough of it for 40 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q50t8BvWrsU&t=676s

the spreadsheet link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tf3fANllMMd-qh-6GeQGAvN8GyIBxx6dLdug9AexT54/edit#gid=880392961 found at https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/1d0pih7/spreadsheet_of_card_weights_for_brawl/

If its proven to be true, its no longer a theory. Its a conspiracy in fact, and those people are conspiracy analysts, not conspiracy theorists.

Confirmation of what I was intuitively feeling about some cards.

I'm in favor of transparency. Waiting for the 3rd party apps to include deck weights into some kind of builder. It would be great if WotC would do it though

nice. This confirms exactly what many people feel towards this game...there is nothing random in this game.

[Jamjars]

So it’s totally rigged, as we always knew. Nice to have more confirmation of that.

[Minmataro]

Цитата допису DontMisunderstand:

Цитата допису ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

Its how the match maker works. Include a card they want built into an aggro deck they want in midrange, you get matched against only decks that beat that. You have to be psychic to out wit the matchmaker. Not building a deck to be the best, but to beat the meta of the small slice of all possible matches they are willing to match you in to.
You want to make a combo deck? never draw the pieces you need then... I remember it just recently I wouldn't draw insidious roots for 10+ games in a row. Because I hadn't built the right deck to get matches it could win against.

You are safe if you copy streamers and net decks though. I'm still like 20% wr with soldiers though, for no reason...

My preferred deck style is swiss army knife. I build decks intending not to beat specific things, but to beat every possible opponent. This way, I isolate the need for prediction to in-game decisions. If my deck can beat anything, all I need to figure out during the match is how and when to play my cards to make that happen.

How many times did u make it to mythic with that jack of all trades deck? Post your untapped i would like to check it out. Also is that best of three? almost any deck can hit mythic in that format. its quite friendly toward people that brew jank. In Bo1 u need a much more streamlined deck or a deck that has a fast turn 3 or 4
wincon.

[PyroMail.com]

Цитата допису Belleh:

Цитата допису ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

My youtube algorithm showed me a video on the brawl weights. This chick does a good walkthrough of it for 40 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q50t8BvWrsU&t=676s

the spreadsheet link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tf3fANllMMd-qh-6GeQGAvN8GyIBxx6dLdug9AexT54/edit#gid=880392961 found at https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/1d0pih7/spreadsheet_of_card_weights_for_brawl/

If its proven to be true, its no longer a theory. Its a conspiracy in fact, and those people are conspiracy analysts, not conspiracy theorists.

Confirmation of what I was intuitively feeling about some cards.

I'm in favor of transparency. Waiting for the 3rd party apps to include deck weights into some kind of builder. It would be great if WotC would do it though

nice. This confirms exactly what many people feel towards this game...there is nothing random in this game.

I wish you the best of luck proving it in court.

[Belleh]

Цитата допису PyroMail.com:

Цитата допису Belleh:

nice. This confirms exactly what many people feel towards this game...there is nothing random in this game.

I wish you the best of luck proving it in court.

I don't have to prove anything my dude. The proof has been gathered and it is available for everyone to watch on Youtube. Stop being an ign0ratn

[PyroMail.com]

Цитата допису Belleh:

Цитата допису PyroMail.com:

I wish you the best of luck proving it in court.

I don't have to prove anything my dude. The proof has been gathered and it is available for everyone to watch on Youtube. Stop being an ign0ratn

First of all, stop insulting other people.

Second I watched the video as well. To test a bit I made 3 decks with cards scoring in the negative (-360 each), Kutzil, Malamet Exemplar, Alquist Proft und Izoni, Center of the Web with the rest of the decks beeing basic lands scoring 0. I didn't get even once an error message regarding the decks beeing not validated, so the spreadsheet might only be applied in brawl. You can all try it out yourself.

Third it isn't neccessarily a bad thing getting matched this way. That way players are prevented from getting utterly destroyed anytime because their opponents have cashed so much into the game they can afford to just play better cards, popular cards or against those who just spent all their wildcards into that one "80% WIN RATE WOW!" youtube deck. Not a single new player with basically 0 collection would stay in this game if they get matched over and over and over again against tournament winning decks.

Last but not least while we may or may not now know about the matchmaking system, you all still haven't proven your favourite claims, namly "I only drew trash, shuffler rigged", "Opponents always has right answer, must be bot" and "I always get matched against decks better than mine, deck formula detection".

Also it makes absolutely no sense knowing someone or something doesn't seem right if no consequences follow. While you all might feel approved in your claim the game is rigged, it has no meaning if noone of you packs all this and for example moves to court to enforce change. That's like knowing someone in your neighbourhood murdered other people but instead reporting it to the police you just let them be.

But let me guess, you all absolutely don't care at all but abuse all that for manipulated wins, I mean, why shouldn't you?

[DontMisunderstand]

Цитата допису Minmataro:

Цитата допису DontMisunderstand:

My preferred deck style is swiss army knife. I build decks intending not to beat specific things, but to beat every possible opponent. This way, I isolate the need for prediction to in-game decisions. If my deck can beat anything, all I need to figure out during the match is how and when to play my cards to make that happen.

How many times did u make it to mythic with that jack of all trades deck? Post your untapped i would like to check it out. Also is that best of three? almost any deck can hit mythic in that format. its quite friendly toward people that brew jank. In Bo1 u need a much more streamlined deck or a deck that has a fast turn 3 or 4
wincon.

I play my 4 daily wins, and only very rarely go beyond that. I have multiple decks, and which I use depends on what my daily challenge asks for. All 3 of my decks are in a similar power level range. I do hit mythic regularly. As far as ranked goes, I only play best of 1 Historic. Best of 1 because it's mathematically less likely for a best of 3 to be decided by player skill. Historic because rotating formats are a scam. While all 3 decks are equally powerful, they're not all the same. One is not a swiss army knife deck, it's a 60 card dimir control deck focused on discard synergies. I have a 250 card 5 color Superfriends deck utilizing the Gates package for more explosive mana production and the incredible suite of Gates themed value cards. That's probably the weakest of the 3 decks overall, but only because it has the fewest ways to out stax pieces that entirely turn off the function of the deck. It also has by far the highest ceiling for power of the 3 decks. The other deck is the truest swiss army knife deck. There is no situation I have ever been in, in the hundreds or possibly thousands of matches I've played with it, that the deck has no possible outs to. Abzan Taxation with a lifegain subtheme. 250 cards. Mostly 1-ofs. There's nothing in the deck that is ever a bad draw, only not-quite-perfect for the exact scenario. It manages this through an intense focus on synergies. The answers is the deck aren't just answers, they're so much more. Because the entire theme of the deck is "every time you do a thing, you get punished and/or I benefit. And every time I do a thing, you get punished or I benefit". You played a creature? Ding, life. You played an enchantment? Oops, my enchantment now. Your creature died? Aww shucks you have to pay the burial fee, take 1 and I'll gain 8. Playing lands? Property taxes. It's a deck about gaining incremental advantage on as many game actions as possible. I've won on turn 5 with this deck. I've also won after a brutal 3 hour slugfest. Theoretically it's possible for the deck to win turn 4, though that needs an extremely specific string of cards, and is accomplished through a rather dull Exquisite Blood combo. As far as combat damage goes, turn 5 is the reasonable limit unless the opponent is really dumb with how they approach soul warden plus a creature that gets counters on lifegain.

Pretty interestingly, these 3 decks all have different performance rankings at different ranks. In platinum, the Gates deck is by far the strongest. In diamond, the discard deck is the strongest. And in mythic itself, the taxes deck is strongest. But they're all roughly equal. Though I would be willing to admit it might be more that I'm good at the game rather than the decks themselves being great. Though I'm more confident in my deckbuilding skill than I am play skill, to be frank. Given the context provided, I can imagine you might think differently about wanting to see the decklists, though I am willing to provide them here if you still want them. Just know that it'd be a very long post. If you have specific questions about why I made some of the decisions I did in deckbuilding, I'd be happy to answer them too. I love the deckbuilding portion of the game more than everything else, and I would love an excuse to talk about it in detail.

And, finally... none of those 3 decks are optimized. They're just things I have in my collection. I've made improvements to them as time goes on, and will continue to. But there are obvious improvements that can be made, by adding things not in my collection.

[The_Dybbuk_King]

Цитата допису Belleh:

Цитата допису ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

My youtube algorithm showed me a video on the brawl weights. This chick does a good walkthrough of it for 40 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q50t8BvWrsU&t=676s

the spreadsheet link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tf3fANllMMd-qh-6GeQGAvN8GyIBxx6dLdug9AexT54/edit#gid=880392961 found at https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/1d0pih7/spreadsheet_of_card_weights_for_brawl/

If its proven to be true, its no longer a theory. Its a conspiracy in fact, and those people are conspiracy analysts, not conspiracy theorists.

Confirmation of what I was intuitively feeling about some cards.

I'm in favor of transparency. Waiting for the 3rd party apps to include deck weights into some kind of builder. It would be great if WotC would do it though

nice. This confirms exactly what many people feel towards this game...there is nothing random in this game.

This has Flat earther vibes lmfao