JHELP i carry more than 10 board clears (11)

[Argstein]

dejavu time again folks
more board clears more better

final answer -- 11 out of 100 cards is best

day of judgement
shatter the sky
wrath of god
supreme verdict
kaya's wrath
sunfall
farewell
vanquish the horde
ruinous ultimatum
cleansing nova
time wipe

let's go!!

[The_Dybbuk_King]

Originally posted by ChaffyExpert:

Originally posted by geniunetrucker:

Cards that clear the battle field are cop outs........put a deck together that can play

100%
They are cop-outs to actually have a solid deck, it's literally just "remove everything untill i get a win condition card" Generally drawing more cards will win against them because delaying the board is the only thing they have, but Farewell exists, so even if you get a card draw they can remove it.

Basically instead of making a real deck, they just delay the game untill they can pull out some ridiculously OP card and hope it's not removed or that the opponent doesn't have card draw (or use a Farewell so it doesn't matter) and win by having more cards.

It's basically like a cheat code saying "opponent starts with 5 less cards" Even if you don't over commit, they will still have the card advantage no matter what you do because their entire deck is board wipes removal and drawing cards.

IT's still possible to win, because board wipers have no real skill or deck just spam board wipes and pull out an OP card, but it's not even worth it lol

I say this because i've done it, done it quite a bit, and even though i won a 30 minute game (not even exaggerating lol) i think i would've just conceded if i had to do it again... it's just not fun to spend 30 minutes doing a few points of damage at a time then having everything wiped constantly.

Why did you mindlessly cast your entire hand into a potential board wipe? Talk about having no skill. If you play against white, black, or red, your ♥♥♥♥ is going to catch a removal spell (Also sometimes green and blue). In other words, sometimes just because you CAN play a card, doesn't mean you SHOULD.

Originally posted by tovie:

board wipes are stupid, but this game is sadly full of bad design choices

running into board wipes is even stupider.

[ChaffyExpert]

Originally posted by The_Dybbuk_King:

Originally posted by ChaffyExpert:

100%
They are cop-outs to actually have a solid deck, it's literally just "remove everything untill i get a win condition card" Generally drawing more cards will win against them because delaying the board is the only thing they have, but Farewell exists, so even if you get a card draw they can remove it.

Basically instead of making a real deck, they just delay the game untill they can pull out some ridiculously OP card and hope it's not removed or that the opponent doesn't have card draw (or use a Farewell so it doesn't matter) and win by having more cards.

It's basically like a cheat code saying "opponent starts with 5 less cards" Even if you don't over commit, they will still have the card advantage no matter what you do because their entire deck is board wipes removal and drawing cards.

IT's still possible to win, because board wipers have no real skill or deck just spam board wipes and pull out an OP card, but it's not even worth it lol

I say this because i've done it, done it quite a bit, and even though i won a 30 minute game (not even exaggerating lol) i think i would've just conceded if i had to do it again... it's just not fun to spend 30 minutes doing a few points of damage at a time then having everything wiped constantly.

Why did you mindlessly cast your entire hand into a potential board wipe? Talk about having no skill. If you play against white, black, or red, your ♥♥♥♥ is going to catch a removal spell (Also sometimes green and blue). In other words, sometimes just because you CAN play a card, doesn't mean you SHOULD.

Originally posted by tovie:

board wipes are stupid, but this game is sadly full of bad design choices

running into board wipes is even stupider.

Yes because everyone you disagree with is just "mindlessly casting their entire hand into a board wipe"

It's not like Legions to Ashes exist to get rid of card draw, or any of the other anti-enchant, so even if you only have one creature out you will eventually run out of cards or anything, or Farewell.

[The_Dybbuk_King]

Originally posted by ChaffyExpert:

Originally posted by The_Dybbuk_King:

Why did you mindlessly cast your entire hand into a potential board wipe? Talk about having no skill. If you play against white, black, or red, your ♥♥♥♥ is going to catch a removal spell (Also sometimes green and blue). In other words, sometimes just because you CAN play a card, doesn't mean you SHOULD.




running into board wipes is even stupider.

Yes because everyone you disagree with is just "mindlessly casting their entire hand into a board wipe"

It's not like Legions to Ashes exist to get rid of card draw, or any of the other anti-enchant, so even if you only have one creature out you will eventually run out of cards or anything, or Farewell.

For just a split second, let's use that thing between our shoulders and think about how bad that is for an opponent to use a whole 6 mana and a whole turn for 1 creature. If your opponent is spending their entire turns resetting the board state, they are doing NOTHING to advance their own.

It is called Card Economy. Value wins games. Just because it took you 20 turns to kill your opponent doesn't make it any less of a win than the 5 turn win. There is strategy to be had in this strategy game.

If you are interested in learning more about it, read "Next Level Magic" written by Patrick Chapin. Honestly, it will definitely help you if you take it in.

[ChaffyExpert]

Originally posted by The_Dybbuk_King:

Originally posted by ChaffyExpert:

Yes because everyone you disagree with is just "mindlessly casting their entire hand into a board wipe"

It's not like Legions to Ashes exist to get rid of card draw, or any of the other anti-enchant, so even if you only have one creature out you will eventually run out of cards or anything, or Farewell.

For just a split second, let's use that thing between our shoulders and think about how bad that is for an opponent to use a whole 6 mana and a whole turn for 1 creature. If your opponent is spending their entire turns resetting the board state, they are doing NOTHING to advance their own.

It is called Card Economy. Value wins games. Just because it took you 20 turns to kill your opponent doesn't make it any less of a win than the 5 turn win. There is strategy to be had in this strategy game.

If you are interested in learning more about it, read "Next Level Magic" written by Patrick Chapin. Honestly, it will definitely help you if you take it in.

1st that premise is off, they can play artifacts lands that turn into creatures and enchantments and such. Secondly, summoning sickness. So unless you have haste which is typically for red, it doesn't really matter if they have a board state they can just keep board wipe spamming.

"card economy, value wins games" IT's not strategy, it's basically cheat codes to have your opponent start out with less cards basically, that have no counter.

Not to mention, as i mentioned before, Legions to ashes, Requisition Raid, etc. exist, so they can get rid of your card draw, board wipe, and eventually you will just run out of cards because their entire deck is removal.

The problem is balance, not "skill" like you seem to think everyone complaining about board wipes are bad at the game, not that said board wipes are literally un-counterable for 4/5 colors and rewards someone for simply not playing anything and preventing the other side from playing the game.

You are correct though in that they don't advance their board state much, THAT is exactly the problem of why it's so bad, you spend an hour with NOTHING happening really, because nobody is able to have a board.

"a win is a win" Well you are mister "win at all costs, only thing that matters is winning" but most people here play for this thing called fun. And sitting on your ass for an hour waiting for a number to tick down isn't fun for me, and when the board wipe spammer loses anyways, probably not fun for them.

Magic managed to make a scenerio in a game, where win or lose, literally nobody has fun. Now that's an accomplishment!

I don't think using broken cards to merely not let the other person play the game, is "strategy" it's overglorified cheat codes.

[BunnyBunny]

tips : don't forget 'settle the wreckage' and 'domeskar'

[Argstein]

Originally posted by ChaffyExpert:

I don't think using broken cards to merely not let the other person play the game, is "strategy" it's overglorified cheat codes.

okay so now all these perfectly legit historic cards you mention are "broken" and akin to "cheat codes"

WELL FIRE UP THE GAME GENIE Y'ALL

[BunnyBunny]

To be frank, farewell feels busted and push the meta toward aggro since many deck are completely destroyed by that card...

[Nubbles]

You could learn to play around boardwipes. Or play decks that do well regardless of boardwipes. But noooooooo, the game needs to be dumbed down cause you only want to put all the creatures sideways.

It's not like board wipes are new, wrath of god was in alpha. If you're not very new to magic, you've had some time to learn to deal with them.

[Quazy]

when there are so many poorly thought out card interactions that let people play multiple of any creature for free on turn 5 with card draw for each creature and land grabs, or cards that can ramp up to 12/12 doublestrike/trample on turn 4. or cards that can just duplicate your stacks for a fraction of the cost. discovery cascades, token spams, casting any spell for 4 mana from grave, sheolds, phryxian oblitorators, etc. board wipes and removal are the only way to balance against some of the silly mechanics they power crept into the game

[Argstein]

yea power creep is creepy

GET IT OUTTA HERE!

[John-Silver]

I mainly run flash decks and only run 1 board clear that ALWAYS catches my opponents by surprise in historic, Angel of the Dire Hour. Nobody seems to see it coming.

[John-Silver]

Originally posted by 6h0$t942:

I started trying to make interesting decks with themes.

Then i got tired of losing to the removal spams and made one myself.

Much easier, much more lolz.

Black/white with a palantir seems to be the meta version. Doomblade Sacrifice Palantir Sacrifice Doomblade Sunfall.

Its funny when you come across another removal spammer and youre just both staring at eachother with a handfull of murders/counters.

I love getting insta scoops off Palantir players with a single notion thief.

[BryNIN]

i mainly use this deck for various reasons. I've encountered some crazy deck builds and this why i use this desk as my primary. When i see a card worth adding i adjust it. But where the deck is now the draws are good and maintains predictability and synergy

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198012393404/screenshot/2512529879898022330/