Sorry, but this game is extremely corrupt

[Terror Knight]

I avoided doing this THREADS for a long time, but it's inevitable to say this. This game is extremely rigged like a slot machine. When the Shuffler doesn't cheat due to the lack of lands or their flooding, the system puts you up against an opponent that your deck isn't able to beat.

An example of this is that when I play with a fast deck, my opponents are always the same types of deck, I never encounter slow decks that are not prepared for mine.
When I try to play defensive decks, I always find super fast decks that win in the third land.
Yesterday I played with an Infect (poison) deck. On the 4th turn, the opponent placed an enchantment preventing poison points.
Recently I decided to create a deck where the target is the enemy's HP, and I have constantly faced decks that replace their HP with each card.
The hilarious thing is that I had never faced decks that replenish your HP before creating this new deck.

I don't know if anyone else has experienced this, but today I've been facing this all day, so far I haven't even managed to get the minimum 15 victories. In fact, this has been happening for years with this game and it hasn't improved at all so far.
When I try to change the type of deck, it's always the same result, it's hilarious, there's no way anyone can have that much bad luck since I've accumulated 5 or even 10 consecutive defeats using OP decks for the same reason.

I'm a veteran player, and when I get defeated because I made mistakes, or because the opponent played better I really don't care about losing. But going into a match that I have no chance of winning is extremely frustrating for me.

Edited: If you don't have the same problem, don't comment. Thanks

[Kurt Angle's Neck]

Right off the bat you start with a lie... you haven't been avoiding this at all, you're constantly posting these claims. Perhaps this is your first thread that you've created about it, but you've certainly made comments on other threads.

As for everything else in your post, let's see the evidence.

[Terror Knight]

İlk olarak Kurt Angle's Neck tarafından gönderildi:

Right off the bat you start with a lie... you haven't been avoiding this at all, you're constantly posting these claims. Perhaps this is your first thread that you've created about it, but you've certainly made comments on other threads.

As for everything else in your post, let's see the evidence.

I have no need to lie, you should stop being rude for no reason. Do you work for Wizards? It seems like you are here constantly watching negative threads regarding the game. Or is it some morbid hobby of yours?
I may have commented about Shuffler in other topics, but I didn't make any specific topic about it. Read again to understand better.
If you have no problems with the game and it works perfectly for you, just shut up.

[Kurt Angle's Neck]

İlk olarak Dread Specter tarafından gönderildi:

I have no need to lie,

Never said you were. I think you truly believe the game is rigged, but I don't think you have any evidence to support that claim.

İlk olarak Dread Specter tarafından gönderildi:

you should stop being rude for no reason.

I might be being blunt, but I don't think I'm being rude. I haven't made any insults or threats, merely asked you to provide evidence for your claims.

İlk olarak Dread Specter tarafından gönderildi:

Do you work for Wizards? It seems like you are here constantly watching negative threads regarding the game. Or is it some morbid hobby of yours?

Were you hired by someone to slander Wizards? It seems like you are here constantly posting negative comments about the game. Or is it some morbid hobby of yours?

İlk olarak Dread Specter tarafından gönderildi:

I may have commented about Shuffler in other topics, but I didn't make any specific topic about it. Read again to understand better.

What is it that you think I'm not understanding? You claim that you have been avoiding this topic for some time, and simultaneously admit that you've been commenting about it. The reason I cannot understand you isn't because of my reading comprehension, it's because you're saying things that are in direct conflict with each other.

İlk olarak Dread Specter tarafından gönderildi:

If you have no problems with the game and it works perfectly for you, just shut up.

No.

[ChaffyExpert]

tbh sounds like a skill issue. "i'm always against fast decks!" Yea, because generally you want to implement your strategy as fast as possible or at least have an early-game defense. Not every deck is aggro but generally even long-range decks will have an early-game strategy.

I highly doubt they win on the third land, that would require getting 7 points of damage per turn on average for the first 3 turns- which aside from some combo decks in HISTORICAL should be nearly impossible or require god-like luck, as no one mana cost creature does that much.

The only way i see this being even remotely possible is if they go first, cast a 2 damage spell of some sort turn 1.

on turn 2 they play that Trample guy that get's 1+ 1+ for every spell,

and on turn 3 somehow draw 4 one mana cost spells that can target the player, so like 4 shocks, for 8 damage to the player, plus an attack of a 2/3 creature buffed up to 6/7... even still you'd have 6 lives left.

turn 4 for them, 3 lands for you, they attack again and it's gg. Just barely. and only because they went first AND with the best possible luck possible... In short, it's statistically improbable that they could do this (in standard or alchemy not Historic, because combos) and also, if you had one kill-spell in your hand it would be IMPOSSIBLE to achieve., assuming you play a land each turn (sometimes the mana draw is bad. Also, this assumes you don't play the dual faced lands that are tapped and give you a life.

As for poison, i mean, alot of people use poison, i haven't seen the card you are talking about myself, but it makes sense it would be in decks- specifically control decks.

You probably went up against someone with a control deck with a bunch of counters to specific types of strategies.

I see life-gain based decks all the time. Tbh it's not really that strong imo. Only in Historic can you get some life-based combos that are truly terrifying.

(like *this creature gives you a life every time a creature is played* with *every time you gain life put a 1+ 1+ counter on any target creature* and *when this creature gets a 1+ 1+ counter create a token* all 3 of which cause an infinite loop. (and even that isn't fool-proof, i'm sure many people have strategies to deal with it, including cards like "your opponent can't get 1+ 1+ counters* or *opponents can't gain life*.

[Terror Knight]

İlk olarak Kurt Angle's Neck tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Dread Specter tarafından gönderildi:

I have no need to lie,

Never said you were. I think you truly believe the game is rigged, but I don't think you have any evidence to support that claim.

İlk olarak Dread Specter tarafından gönderildi:

you should stop being rude for no reason.

I might be being blunt, but I don't think I'm being rude. I haven't made any insults or threats, merely asked you to provide evidence for your claims.

İlk olarak Dread Specter tarafından gönderildi:

Do you work for Wizards? It seems like you are here constantly watching negative threads regarding the game. Or is it some morbid hobby of yours?

Were you hired by someone to slander Wizards? It seems like you are here constantly posting negative comments about the game. Or is it some morbid hobby of yours?

İlk olarak Dread Specter tarafından gönderildi:

I may have commented about Shuffler in other topics, but I didn't make any specific topic about it. Read again to understand better.

What is it that you think I'm not understanding? You claim that you have been avoiding this topic for some time, and simultaneously admit that you've been commenting about it. The reason I cannot understand you isn't because of my reading comprehension, it's because you're saying things that are in direct conflict with each other.

İlk olarak Dread Specter tarafından gönderildi:

If you have no problems with the game and it works perfectly for you, just shut up.

No.

So what do you mean by: "Right off the bat you start with a lie" Implying that someone is a liar is an insult, it's being rude. Did your mother never tell you that?
Two can play this game. You say the game is not a scam. You have no evidence that the game is not a scam. Prove that the game is not a scam.
Your arguments are so weak, I would be embarrassed to use them.

[Terror Knight]

İlk olarak Emperor Palpatinate tarafından gönderildi:

tbh sounds like a skill issue. "i'm always against fast decks!" Yea, because generally you want to implement your strategy as fast as possible or at least have an early-game defense. Not every deck is aggro but generally even long-range decks will have an early-game strategy.

I highly doubt they win on the third land, that would require getting 7 points of damage per turn on average for the first 3 turns- which aside from some combo decks in HISTORICAL should be nearly impossible or require god-like luck, as no one mana cost creature does that much.

The only way i see this being even remotely possible is if they go first, cast a 2 damage spell of some sort turn 1.

on turn 2 they play that Trample guy that get's 1+ 1+ for every spell,

and on turn 3 somehow draw 4 one mana cost spells that can target the player, so like 4 shocks, for 8 damage to the player, plus an attack of a 2/3 creature buffed up to 6/7... even still you'd have 6 lives left.

turn 4 for them, 3 lands for you, they attack again and it's gg. Just barely. and only because they went first AND with the best possible luck possible... In short, it's statistically improbable that they could do this (in standard or alchemy not Historic, because combos) and also, if you had one kill-spell in your hand it would be IMPOSSIBLE to achieve., assuming you play a land each turn (sometimes the mana draw is bad. Also, this assumes you don't play the dual faced lands that are tapped and give you a life.

As for poison, i mean, alot of people use poison, i haven't seen the card you are talking about myself, but it makes sense it would be in decks- specifically control decks.

You probably went up against someone with a control deck with a bunch of counters to specific types of strategies.

I see life-gain based decks all the time. Tbh it's not really that strong imo. Only in Historic can you get some life-based combos that are truly terrifying.

(like *this creature gives you a life every time a creature is played* with *every time you gain life put a 1+ 1+ counter on any target creature* and *when this creature gets a 1+ 1+ counter create a token* all 3 of which cause an infinite loop. (and even that isn't fool-proof, i'm sure many people have strategies to deal with it, including cards like "your opponent can't get 1+ 1+ counters* or *opponents can't gain life*.

I stopped reading when you wrote that it "seems to be a skill issue" since I conquered the epic with the same deck in 9 days.

[Berserkr]

Another thread off the rails

[Kurt Angle's Neck]

İlk olarak Dread Specter tarafından gönderildi:

So what do you mean by: "Right off the bat you start with a lie" Implying that someone is a liar is an insult, it's being rude. Did your mother never tell you that?

You did lie, we've already established that. You said two different things that were in direct conflict with each other. If you feel insulted by being confronted with reality, that's on you. Pointing out your lies isn't rude, but lying on the other hand is very rude. Did your mother never tell you that?

İlk olarak Dread Specter tarafından gönderildi:

Two can play this game. You say the game is not a scam.

No, I have not said that.

İlk olarak Dread Specter tarafından gönderildi:

Your arguments are so weak, I would be embarrassed to use them.

Your arguments are so weak, I would be embarrassed to use them.

[Winter Wolf]

Just to be clear Kurt, a person can be self-contradictory without actively/intentionally being a liar. They just might not see the contradiction or have quite a grasp on what they are trying to say.

[Kurt Angle's Neck]

İlk olarak Winter Wolf tarafından gönderildi:

Just to be clear Kurt, a person can be self-contradictory without actively/intentionally being a liar. They just might not see the contradiction or have quite a grasp on what they are trying to say.

I got into a pretty long debate with my philosophy teacher once over what qualifies as a lie. His stance (as well as the stance of basically everyone except me) was that there was no way you unwittingly tell a lie, and that intent to deceive was necessary in order to qualify a statement as a lie. I did not (and still do not) agree, and hold the stance that if you are unknowingly providing false information, it is still a lie. It was an extremely nuanced discussion that we spent a decent amount of time on, and ultimately we just had to agree to disagree as neither of us could really pin the other down with logic.

But anyway, I don't think that's really relevant... I don't see any way that his opening line could be said with any honesty. It's simply not true. It's also not really the point of the thread, so I'm not sure how the conversation became hyper-focused on that while completely ignoring everything else I said....

[Tom the Mime Artist]

İlk olarak Emperor Palpatinate tarafından gönderildi:

tbh sounds like a skill issue. "i'm always against fast decks!" Yea, because generally you want to implement your strategy as fast as possible or at least have an early-game defense. Not every deck is aggro but generally even long-range decks will have an early-game strategy.

I highly doubt they win on the third land, that would require getting 7 points of damage per turn on average for the first 3 turns- which aside from some combo decks in HISTORICAL should be nearly impossible or require god-like luck, as no one mana cost creature does that much.

Turn 3-4 is kind of the benchmark in historic if you get a good draw and don't face interaction. Izzet wizards can absolutely smash your face in T3, as can discover combo and leyline fragments. Mono green devotion, Yawg combo and goblins are more likely for T4 with a good hand (think T3 is possible with an insane hand for these) but less fragile. Even spelunking gates can pull off a T4 mazes end win with a good draw (I think some variants could pull off T3 if you had perfect luck).
Most of them are normally a bit slower but it helps highlight the importance of interaction.

[Terror Knight]

İlk olarak Kurt Angle's Neck tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Dread Specter tarafından gönderildi:

So what do you mean by: "Right off the bat you start with a lie" Implying that someone is a liar is an insult, it's being rude. Did your mother never tell you that?

You did lie, we've already established that. You said two different things that were in direct conflict with each other. If you feel insulted by being confronted with reality, that's on you. Pointing out your lies isn't rude, but lying on the other hand is very rude. Did your mother never tell you that?

İlk olarak Dread Specter tarafından gönderildi:

Two can play this game. You say the game is not a scam.

No, I have not said that.

İlk olarak Dread Specter tarafından gönderildi:

Your arguments are so weak, I would be embarrassed to use them.

Your arguments are so weak, I would be embarrassed to use them.

You are just trying to invalidate my topic. Escaping from the main focus. That's typical of a coward.
You say I lied because supposedly I already created a thread talking about the same subject. So show me this topic. Comment something on it. Otherwise, don't say nonsense, just shut up. You are very boring

[Terror Knight]

İlk olarak Winter Wolf tarafından gönderildi:

Just to be clear Kurt, a person can be self-contradictory without actively/intentionally being a liar. They just might not see the contradiction or have quite a grasp on what they are trying to say.

I wasn't contradictory, I said I intended to avoid making a thread about it, I didn't say I didn't comment in other threads that Shuffler is corrupt. He's just trying to derail my threads.

[Terror Knight]

İlk olarak Tom the Mime Artist tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Emperor Palpatinate tarafından gönderildi:

tbh sounds like a skill issue. "i'm always against fast decks!" Yea, because generally you want to implement your strategy as fast as possible or at least have an early-game defense. Not every deck is aggro but generally even long-range decks will have an early-game strategy.

I highly doubt they win on the third land, that would require getting 7 points of damage per turn on average for the first 3 turns- which aside from some combo decks in HISTORICAL should be nearly impossible or require god-like luck, as no one mana cost creature does that much.

Turn 3-4 is kind of the benchmark in historic if you get a good draw and don't face interaction. Izzet wizards can absolutely smash your face in T3, as can discover combo and leyline fragments. Mono green devotion, Yawg combo and goblins are more likely for T4 with a good hand (think T3 is possible with an insane hand for these) but less fragile. Even spelunking gates can pull off a T4 mazes end win with a good draw (I think some variants could pull off T3 if you had perfect luck).
Most of them are normally a bit slower but it helps highlight the importance of interaction.

Apparently this guy has never played against a green creature deck. In the third Land, if you don't have a cleaning card, it's game over.

[Tom the Mime Artist]

İlk olarak Dread Specter tarafından gönderildi:

Apparently this guy has never played against a green creature deck. In the third Land, if you don't have a cleaning card, it's game over.

I'm not sure where you got the impression that I was agreeing with you. I'm not. Not at all. Almost every argument you made here seems to be unsubstantiated or suffering from cognitive bias. What I was doing was clarifying the general speed cap of historic decks.

Additionally, for the decks mentioned? The third land in the green deck is only a big deal if it's nykthos and they have kiora and a decent amount of devotion. Then it can get crazy. And even then, all the other decks mentioned don't immediately fold to that. Izzet wizards has flying and spot removal for creatures with reach. Discover combo outnumbers them and rolls right through. Same for goblins with Muxus. Leyline fragments runs aura's granting flying. Yawg and gates don't care about going through the creatures and combo off anyway. If you're running control you're probably running more board wipes on average and if you don't have counterspells and interaction to try and get you through the early game, that's on you.

Your thoughts on which decks are an issue when they hit three lands makes me think the other guy was onto something when he said skill issue.