I really wish WotC would shorten the timers

[Jeysie]

Like. I understand when the board is in a complex state and you have a big handful of cards and abilities to sort through. That's fine. Take your time.

But the vast majority of the time it's a situation where the amount of options is extremely limited, the action being taken is dead simple, and yet just slow... playing... everything... to... take... the... maximum... amount... of... time... possible.

I in particular still remember this one time where the person had no cards, no untapped lands, their one open creature ability was something like a mana ability that could not affect the board, I crack an Evolving Wilds, and... they're still running down the timer. It's like "OH MY GOD DUDE WHAT CAN YOU POSSIBLY BE THINKING OF DOING HERE".

Sigh. If they don't shorten the timer, maybe try looking at making more situations automatic? Like making it so it doesn't wait on mana abilities if there's nothing to actually cast or activate with the mana?

IDEK, it's just kinda sucking the fun out of it when every card play is me waiting for the other person to finally find the "Resolve" button even if there is very little they can possibly be able to do to have to consider that long.

And I get that sometimes someone's game can bork and they have to log back on because that's happened to me, but every single game? And maybe Arena can just throw up a pop-up in those cases "opponent disconnect detected, waiting for possible reconnect" or something.

[Black Mirror]

If you play stupid control decks, you deserve to be roped at every possible step.

[Jeysie]

Originally posted by Black Mirror:

If you play stupid control decks, you deserve to be roped at every possible step.

Good thing I don't play a control deck, then.

If anything, it's typically the other way around where the blue player is busy faffing around on whether to counter my creature or not and it's like OMG dude I don't even care at this point can you just counter it so we can move on already.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

Blue decks: waits 5 minutes pass the turn without doing anything, proceeds to play on your turn
White decks: dump all the weenies or keep 2 mana open for instant speed removal, big decisions to be made here
Red decks: attack all, noone knows why I am taking my time, probably considering where I use my instant speed cards to do more damage or buff my creature to survive...
Green decks: Searching for land, ah i need to pick out the "right" forest from all 40 of these
Black decks: also searching library, this time with tutor. Ah my deck is 250 cards btw, sorry I am taking so long to look through it.

[Kurt Angle's Neck]

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

Blue decks: waits 5 minutes pass the turn without doing anything, proceeds to play on your turn
White decks: dump all the weenies or keep 2 mana open for instant speed removal, big decisions to be made here
Red decks: attack all, noone knows why I am taking my time, probably considering where I use my instant speed cards to do more damage or buff my creature to survive...
Green decks: Searching for land, ah i need to pick out the "right" forest from all 40 of these
Black decks: also searching library, this time with tutor. Ah my deck is 250 cards btw, sorry I am taking so long to look through it.

You know, now that I think about it... I don't recall ever being roped by a colorless player. Perhaps the problem really is with red, blue, green, white and black players, and colorless is the path of the righteous

[BEEN]

I agree. The timers are too long and timeouts should not exist. Use them for tournaments, not for folks who just want 4 wins for dailies.

[Kskaudonsu]

The way current era MTG is designed, it has started attracting more and more of the digital casino crowd. Go watch the slots in Vegas some day. Just watch how the people sitting there behave. Try and imagine their state of mind as something well short of sentience. Don't be mad at them. They are who they are. Be mad at those in power who are preying on these people.

[Afro_KEK]

I think mono decks are the problem tbh I always wait on mono blue and mono black bc they might have sth in their hand and as soon as the tide turns they tuck thei tail and run like the little biches they are

[CourtJesterCowboy]

They dont need to shorten the timers. They just need to give us a little check box if we want fast play before matchmaking and boom problem solved, but they do not give a single frick about anything other than money. Its been the same shat system since it came out and it is angering how much communal time is wasted just burning the wick for nothing

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Originally posted by Afro_KEK:

I think mono decks are the problem tbh I always wait on mono blue and mono black bc they might have sth in their hand and as soon as the tide turns they tuck thei tail and run like the little biches they are

Spoken like a true salt lord who gets whooped constantly

[Jeysie]

Originally posted by CourtJesterCowboy:

They dont need to shorten the timers. They just need to give us a little check box if we want fast play before matchmaking and boom problem solved, but they do not give a single frick about anything other than money. Its been the same shat system since it came out and it is angering how much communal time is wasted just burning the wick for nothing

Yeah, I think that's another interesting idea, for those of us who have decks on the lower end of complexity and/or have enough Magic experience to evaluate card plays more speedily (I'd consider myself maybe a 60/40 mix there).

Just anything so that I don't have to play a creature and then wait through two timeouts while the person decides to play their instant draw spell that they could have just played on my end step, or to figure out "oh right oops I can't kill this creature until it resolves anyway so maybe I should let it do that first".

Or I'm the one trying to kill their creature and it's two timeouts while they decide if they wanna hexproof it or squeeze a last ability play out of it. People come on learn your decks please.

The irony is that the more this happens the more I feel tempted to go read or watch something while waiting which of course risks *me* being the problem if I miss that I can finally do something. Sigh.

Because yeah, as BEEN noted you have to grind out dailies, and playing more slowly should be for things like drafts and tourneys where you don't already know your deck so it genuinely requires considering things more, or where the stakes are high enough to matter.

I've sometimes wondered if playing Bo3 would be any better, but then I realize I'd probably have to one, sit through 2-3 potential slow play games in a row, two, just to eke out one daily win, and it's like no way in heck.

Honestly I think it's really the forced grinding that makes it so bad. It'd be more tolerable if I had to win fewer games per day, you know? Maybe they should make it so fewer wins are required per day because you get more rewards per win.

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Originally posted by Jeysie:

Originally posted by CourtJesterCowboy:

They dont need to shorten the timers. They just need to give us a little check box if we want fast play before matchmaking and boom problem solved, but they do not give a single frick about anything other than money. Its been the same shat system since it came out and it is angering how much communal time is wasted just burning the wick for nothing

Yeah, I think that's another interesting idea, for those of us who have decks on the lower end of complexity and/or have enough Magic experience to evaluate card plays more speedily (I'd consider myself maybe a 60/40 mix there).

Just anything so that I don't have to play a creature and then wait through two timeouts while the person decides to play their instant draw spell that they could have just played on my end step, or to figure out "oh right oops I can't kill this creature until it resolves anyway so maybe I should let it do that first".

Or I'm the one trying to kill their creature and it's two timeouts while they decide if they wanna hexproof it or squeeze a last ability play out of it. People come on learn your decks please.

The irony is that the more this happens the more I feel tempted to go read or watch something while waiting which of course risks *me* being the problem if I miss that I can finally do something. Sigh.

Because yeah, as BEEN noted you have to grind out dailies, and playing more slowly should be for things like drafts and tourneys where you don't already know your deck so it genuinely requires considering things more, or where the stakes are high enough to matter.

I've sometimes wondered if playing Bo3 would be any better, but then I realize I'd probably have to one, sit through 2-3 potential slow play games in a row, two, just to eke out one daily win, and it's like no way in heck.

Honestly I think it's really the forced grinding that makes it so bad. It'd be more tolerable if I had to win fewer games per day, you know? Maybe they should make it so fewer wins are required per day because you get more rewards per win.

I have been playing Magic off and on since like 2008 and sometimes there really is a hand/play where I legit have to think for a while. That being said, its so here and there, that even in a "speed mode" or with half the turn time as default, I wouldnt even get close to timing out.

At the end of the day it is absurd and a second monitor is absolutely necassary to stay sane. If were gonna burn the wick on this match then im gonna have other content on a second monitor because I have transitioned back to mainly paper magic and Arena is just a tool for learning sets, and running drafts for actual fun. The grind stuff is mehh. Just show up to hit my dailies and call it good now.

[sdev09]

bronze = 1 minute
mythic = 15 seconds

no extension on card draw. reaching higher leagues should mean you can handle your deck and it's not full of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

think vs bots, not vs players.

[Tom the Mime Artist]

Originally posted by sdev09:

bronze = 1 minute
mythic = 15 seconds

no extension on card draw. reaching higher leagues should mean you can handle your deck and it's not full of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

think vs bots, not vs players.

That has got to be the worst suggestions I've ever seen for the game because of the impact on deck diversity because it means people would play decks with very few meaningful decisions or lines you need to calculate. Do you want to see even more mono red aggro at higher ranks? Because this is how you see more mono red aggro at higher ranks.

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Originally posted by Tom the Mime Artist:

Originally posted by sdev09:

bronze = 1 minute
mythic = 15 seconds

no extension on card draw. reaching higher leagues should mean you can handle your deck and it's not full of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

think vs bots, not vs players.

That has got to be the worst suggestions I've ever seen for the game because of the impact on deck diversity because it means people would play decks with very few meaningful decisions or lines you need to calculate. Do you want to see even more mono red aggro at higher ranks? Because this is how you see more mono red aggro at higher ranks.

hahahah I was thinking the same thing bro plays mono red only like a slot machine smh

[Jeysie]

I think folks might be exaggerating a little. The idea is basically to just know your deck, where you always have some idea of what your options are, what cards/plays you're aiming for, and what threats will most disrupt your deck that you have to focus on.

And since a lot of people play around the meta, you also quickly get an idea of what other people are playing from seeing what cards they play, so you know what to anticipate.

I think the only time you're really going to be having to regularly think slowly is either: When someone has a rogue deck, when you don't know your own deck because you're playing draft or the meta is still fresh, or because you're playing some extremely intricate combo deck. And I'm going to be real if you're playing the latter I'm probably just conceding anyway because it kinda often degenerates into watching you play Solitaire.