This gane is the best card game ever

[Argstein]

hearthstone is worse
pokemon is worse
yugioh is worse
mtg is best

[Ragnoraok]

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Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe that HS is rigged based on my experiences, and as you pointed out, Blizzard actually has a patent where they advocate for systems that rig matchmaker to market and advertise microtransactions.

They also produced several reports into how to turn WoW into an optimised skinner box that captured player attention and denied them the ability to leave, back when that was first being developed. It's sorta dystopian to read.

Yeah, its sick. This is why I don't spend money in FTP games unless I am certain that the purchase will last for years. With that said, skinnerbox and engagement oriented matchmaking tactics are pernicious, because even if you don't spend money, you are still a target of the intent to psychologically manipulate you into playing for long hours to populate the servers for whales.

[anaris]

yeah i generally advocate for like rigorous introspection on whether one is "having fun" or "receiving carefully spaced-out dopamine hits" - if you're playing for rewards, to reach milestones, to finish stuff that's deliberately held back by timers and drop rates and stuff, you're doing the skinner box thing, which is like, a choice, but a maladaptive one? Like that kind of environment is bad for your mental health and is why a lot of gamers don't seem to be having fun these days - like they're upset or even angry because the dopamine hits don't actually make their life feel good and make them feel like they're enjoying it. Then they look for an explanation for why not, and rather than considering abstract neurology they always seize on like "the game is incomplete" "the matchmaking is rigged" and nonsense like that to explain their feelings.

Which can't be resolved, because those are not the reason you're not having fun.

[Major Lee Ree]

it's great when I'm not loosing 20 games in row because of early game mana drought

[Argstein]

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they're upset or even angry because the dopamine hits don't actually make their life feel good and make them feel like they're enjoying it. Then they look for an explanation for why not, and rather than considering abstract neurology they always seize on like "the game is incomplete" "the matchmaking is rigged" and nonsense like that to explain their feelings.

i admit i'm in it for the dopamine hits
i never resort to blaming the game for my lack of enjoyment though
i recognize those times as a skill issue

[Winter Wolf]

I feel like if you have to think about whether something is fun, it isn't. That's my short take. My longer take is, fun isn't the only goal of playing games.

You can also be:
-- Learning (may be worth the grind if it later leads to fun or some form of enjoyment), or
-- Spending time distracting yourself. to avoid pain or boredom or an odious task (imho a medium goal at best but may be worth doing if your other options are limited.).

@Anaris I don't know where you live but a lot of cities have meetup places for gamers (In NYC for example it is very possible to find same interest groups on bulletin boards like the one at Compleat Strategist. Or similar gaming stores.). If you live remotely though, you may be somewhat out of luck.

Caveat: it is always ofc a roll of the dice whether the people you meet to play games are desirable to interact with in the first place. :p But I suspect most netrunner fans are pretty much compatible.

[Winter Wolf]

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it's great when I'm not loosing 20 games in row because of early game mana drought

My advice is stop at the point where you realize you are feeling irked. Deliberately change formats and decks and or do something wildly different until you are more together again.

[BEEN]

What’s a gane?

[anaris]

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@Anaris I don't know where you live but a lot of cities have meetup places for gamers (In NYC for example it is very possible to find same interest groups on bulletin boards like the one at Compleat Strategist. Or similar gaming stores.). If you live remotely though, you may be somewhat out of luck.

this is much less common in britain for some reason

[anaris]

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What’s a gane?

i think it has something to do with working out

[Argstein]

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What’s a gane?

i think it has something to do with working out

that's a gain
this is a gane - very different
a gain is a measure of increased muscle mass whereas gane is my intentional misspelling of the word plane
thank you
woobwoobwoobwoobwoob!

[Winter Wolf]

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@Anaris I don't know where you live but a lot of cities have meetup places for gamers (In NYC for example it is very possible to find same interest groups on bulletin boards like the one at Compleat Strategist. Or similar gaming stores.). If you live remotely though, you may be somewhat out of luck.

this is much less common in britain for some reason

Hrmm are there BBS style sites/forums for local gamers in Britain?

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

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blizzard literally invented the methods many people say are used to rig Arena lol. And since we know Arena is random and that randomness provokes accusations of rigging that are not caused by actual rigged systems, we have a consistent model for how Hearthstone could be more rigged and you would think it's less rigged. Which is fun.

Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe that HS is rigged based on my experiences, and as you pointed out, Blizzard actually has a patent where they advocate for systems that rig matchmaker to market and advertise microtransactions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T658vTvoRs&list=PLLDJeicF1tlrPyrSzu__01jUYcVU6evM2&index=16

With Hearthstone, modes like Battlegrounds feel rigged, and the Standard Conquest mode feels like the matchmaker is rigged at times, but it feels subtle because in Hearthstone you can overcome a lot of the rigging since gameplay can be so complex that the person who benefits from rigging can screw up. On the contrary, Arena's rigging and pseudo-randomized algorithms are on a completely different scale, and Arena's rigging is far more omnipresent and aggressive than I have ever experienced in any video game. Moreover, WOTC has watered down decision-making in Arena so much that most games are decided by the opening hand.

But if I could be effectively gaslit I would be happy

[Argstein]

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But if I could be effectively gaslit I would be happy

do you believe in 18-wheeler big rigs?

[Argstein]

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arrogant mtg hype

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng93tXxmSjw

[anaris]

Moreover, WOTC has watered down decision-making in Arena so much that most games are decided by the opening hand.

go tell your lab supervisor you can solve EXPTIME hard problems instantly in your head instead of wasting your time here lol