DRAW?

[MonkeyHotDog]

For some reason, my game ended in a draw when I was winning. I didn’t use any infinite combo. I just triggered Kindlespark Duo a few times. My opponent responded with Final Showdown and used its +1 ability: “All creatures lose all abilities until end of turn.” Despite this, my opponent’s life total dropped to -2, yet the match still resulted in a draw. Can someone explain?

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Sounds like you are leaving some information out...

Your opponent’s life went to -3, but the game ended in a draw because something else happened that made you lose at the same time. Without more details, the most likely answer is that you also went to 0 or less health, the game state saw both players in a losing position at the same time and that defaults to a draw. Doesn't matter who is lower when it state checks occur.

[MonkeyHotDog]

I manage to printscreen the event.
The only thing my opponent did was casting Final Showdown with only 2 land.
Edit: My bad, my opponent went -2 and not -3. After his Final Showdown was played, my Lightning Strike was at the end and hit him. Then it was draw. It looked very strange, it skipped tons of animations.

[Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn]

Recently a similar thread was created. I think I encountered this bug twice. The second time I noticed that daily wins progressed, so there is a chance it's just a visual bug.

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Originally posted by Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn:

Recently a similar thread was created. I think I encountered this bug twice. The second time I noticed that daily wins progressed, so there is a chance it's just a visual bug.

This player is not discussing a bug. There is no "sudden draw" bug. There is a server bug where the game never launches and calls it a draw. This player lost the game at the same time as his opponent and it defaults to a draw. It happens more often than you'd think.

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Originally posted by MonkeyHotDog:

I manage to printscreen the event.
The only thing my opponent did was casting Final Showdown with only 2 land.
Edit: My bad, my opponent went -2 and not -3. After his Final Showdown was played, my Lightning Strike was at the end and hit him. Then it was draw. It looked very strange, it skipped tons of animations.

Yeah, if you screen captured, then you would see your health either also zero or less, and or a card in play that made you "lose the game." You aren't giving all the info. The game definitely didn't bug out and draw.

[Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn]

Originally posted by CourtJesterCowboy:

This player is not discussing a bug. There is no "sudden draw" bug. There is a server bug where the game never launches and calls it a draw. This player lost the game at the same time as his opponent and it defaults to a draw. It happens more often than you'd think.

At least one things here is a bug:
a) animation showed that only my opponent loses
b) the match result was displayed as a draw
c) I got rewards for winning

[Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn]

I even got the screenshot:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3451476878

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Originally posted by Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn:

Originally posted by CourtJesterCowboy:

This player is not discussing a bug. There is no "sudden draw" bug. There is a server bug where the game never launches and calls it a draw. This player lost the game at the same time as his opponent and it defaults to a draw. It happens more often than you'd think.

At least one things here is a bug:
a) animation showed that only my opponent loses
b) the match result was displayed as a draw
c) I got rewards for winning

Is this OP logging into an alt account to try and bolster a false bug claim? lol, I mean, get real. The game didn't bug OP into a draw. OP would post the screen cap if truthful.

[Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn]

Originally posted by CourtJesterCowboy:

Originally posted by Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn:

At least one things here is a bug:
a) animation showed that only my opponent loses
b) the match result was displayed as a draw
c) I got rewards for winning

Is this OP logging into an alt account to try and bolster a false bug claim? lol, I mean, get real. The game didn't bug OP into a draw. OP would post the screen cap if truthful.

As I already said, recently, there was another similar thread, where other people also had issues with unexpected bugs:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2141910/discussions/0/603024565118991345/
The issue happened to multiple people, some people even got the bugged draw more than once. I don't recall people having such a bug earlier for months I've been here, so most likely, the recent patch bugged something up.

As you can see on my screenshot, rule-wise, I shouldn't get a draw. Visually, the opponent was destroyed, and then after the match, I got rewarded for winning. The only thing that didn't match was the "draw" announcement.

If you think I'm making alt accounts, I suppose nobody will change your mind and stance in that matter.

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Originally posted by Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn:

Originally posted by CourtJesterCowboy:

Is this OP logging into an alt account to try and bolster a false bug claim? lol, I mean, get real. The game didn't bug OP into a draw. OP would post the screen cap if truthful.

As I already said, recently, there was another similar thread, where other people also had issues with unexpected bugs:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2141910/discussions/0/603024565118991345/
The issue happened to multiple people, some people even got the bugged draw more than once. I don't recall people having such a bug earlier for months I've been here, so most likely, the recent patch bugged something up.

As you can see on my screenshot, rule-wise, I shouldn't get a draw. Visually, the opponent was destroyed, and then after the match, I got rewarded for winning. The only thing that didn't match was the "draw" announcement.

If you think I'm making alt accounts, I suppose nobody will change your mind and stance in that matter.

They have a tapped treasure on the field, so they heisted something from you and cast it off Impetuous Lootmonger, and whatever that card was forced a double loss condition, I mean we cant see the stack or discard. I am beginning to think you went into some infinite heal bs loop that would never stop and the game flicked into a Draw.

[Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn]

Originally posted by CourtJesterCowboy:

They have a tapped treasure on the field, so they heisted something from you and cast it off Impetuous Lootmonger, and whatever that card was forced a double loss condition, I mean we cant see the stack or discard. I am beginning to think you went into some infinite heal bs loop that would never stop and the game flicked into a Draw.

1. One tapped treasure token implies that he played a heisted card when he had only 1 Impetuous Lootmonger. Otherwise, he would have 2 tokens instead.
2. You can see that on his board, Enduring Innocence has summoning sickness, and the opponent couldn't pay for it with his lands, meaning this creature was heisted, and it caused the token generation.
3. 2nd Impetuous Lootmonger could be played only after playing a heisted card, and he doesn't have flash, meaning he had to do it during the opponent's turn.
4. The land on the top of the opponent's graveyard was discarded, meaning he hadn't played any other cards since playing Impetuous Lootmonger.
5. No card on the field would let me infinite heal.
6. Looking at my tapped mana, stack, and graveyard, you can figure out that I had no chance to play any other card.

It's just living in denial at this point.

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Originally posted by Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn:

Originally posted by CourtJesterCowboy:

They have a tapped treasure on the field, so they heisted something from you and cast it off Impetuous Lootmonger, and whatever that card was forced a double loss condition, I mean we cant see the stack or discard. I am beginning to think you went into some infinite heal bs loop that would never stop and the game flicked into a Draw.

1. One tapped treasure token implies that he played a heisted card when he had only 1 Impetuous Lootmonger. Otherwise, he would have 2 tokens instead.
2. You can see that on his board, Enduring Innocence has summoning sickness, and the opponent couldn't pay for it with his lands, meaning this creature was heisted, and it caused the token generation.
3. 2nd Impetuous Lootmonger could be played only after playing a heisted card, and he doesn't have flash, meaning he had to do it during the opponent's turn.
4. The land on the top of the opponent's graveyard was discarded, meaning he hadn't played any other cards since playing Impetuous Lootmonger.
5. No card on the field would let me infinite heal.
6. Looking at my tapped mana, stack, and graveyard, you can figure out that I had no chance to play any other card.

It's just living in denial at this point.

You are definitely the one living in denial. Quite literally actually. The game state checked and found something that caused a draw, and you refuse to accept that. Literally the definition of it lol. How are randoms online supposed to know with certainty off a late and non disclosing screenshot. You played the game and saw something that you aren't being open about.

[MonkeyHotDog]

Originally posted by CourtJesterCowboy:

Originally posted by Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn:

1. One tapped treasure token implies that he played a heisted card when he had only 1 Impetuous Lootmonger. Otherwise, he would have 2 tokens instead.
2. You can see that on his board, Enduring Innocence has summoning sickness, and the opponent couldn't pay for it with his lands, meaning this creature was heisted, and it caused the token generation.
3. 2nd Impetuous Lootmonger could be played only after playing a heisted card, and he doesn't have flash, meaning he had to do it during the opponent's turn.
4. The land on the top of the opponent's graveyard was discarded, meaning he hadn't played any other cards since playing Impetuous Lootmonger.
5. No card on the field would let me infinite heal.
6. Looking at my tapped mana, stack, and graveyard, you can figure out that I had no chance to play any other card.

It's just living in denial at this point.

You are definitely the one living in denial. Quite literally actually. The game state checked and found something that caused a draw, and you refuse to accept that. Literally the definition of it lol. How are randoms online supposed to know with certainty off a late and non disclosing screenshot. You played the game and saw something that you aren't being open about.

It seems like i got the win anyway cuz i ranked up. Clearly just the wrong text-bugg.
"Draw" instead of "Victory".

[Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn]

Originally posted by CourtJesterCowboy:

You are definitely the one living in denial. Quite literally actually. The game state checked and found something that caused a draw, and you refuse to accept that. Literally the definition of it lol. How are randoms online supposed to know with certainty off a late and non disclosing screenshot. You played the game and saw something that you aren't being open about.

Alright, expert, tell me how exactly this draw could happen. Name the exact cards that could cause it. You already have the screenshot, so you know what kind of decks both players were playing and what color they used.

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Originally posted by MonkeyHotDog:

Originally posted by CourtJesterCowboy:

You are definitely the one living in denial. Quite literally actually. The game state checked and found something that caused a draw, and you refuse to accept that. Literally the definition of it lol. How are randoms online supposed to know with certainty off a late and non disclosing screenshot. You played the game and saw something that you aren't being open about.

It seems like i got the win anyway cuz i ranked up. Clearly just the wrong text-bugg.
"Draw" instead of "Victory".

Highlyy doubt that. I have been playing Arena since it released on its standalone app 6-7 years ago. Haven't seen a single draw bug that was un-explainable. Have seen many people claiming bugs when they didn't know what happened.