Don't play Draft events on Arena

[priestj89]

Play draft in person. The game doesn't limit your opponents to your draft group. Cards that were not available to you during the draft, are played against you. You can't expect a fair match. Ive seen the worst shenanigans during draft events. Like the opponent playing 6 lands and 6 permanents on a perfect curve. What a joke. Don't spend ANY money on this app. I wouldn't even recommend using the gold. Honestly, after 4+ years on the app. Just play brawl. None of the app is worth the time unless you're streaming for WotC. They're all vultures that ruin the meta. All of them spam decks that are at the top of tournament lists and pat themselves on the back. The whole culture revolving around magic right now is disgusting. Reprinting, the pokemon style art flood, collaborations(worlds beyond), deck cloning on crack, etc, etc.
Just to reiterate. DONT SPEND YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY ON ARENA.

[Legs0fSteel]

Originally posted by John-Silver:

Originally posted by Legs0fSteel:

If you don't like the way online drafting works just don't play it?
Imagine being so full of yourself that you start to berate other people because they like to play something in a different way, Again if it really was an issue WotC would change it.

Also MTGA has stopped emulatiing the paper verison of MTG for years now with exclusive game modes, cards and bannings they are not the same.
There's a reason i only draft on MTGA and only play commander IRL because they are different from their online and paper versions.

You sound like an elderly person telling at kids because they like a remix of his favourite song from the 70's saying ''this isn't how you're supposed to have fun''

Chill out.

Right sure, keep embracing the removal of any social aspect to a game that thrives on it. Keep paying to draft verse bots than matching people outside your pool and wondering why it feels unbalanced. It's not about having fun, it's about the game becoming more and more single player in design, you don't talk to anyone, you don't draft with anyone, you can't deck share with anyone without being labelled a "netdecker", I'm not saying paper magic is perfect either, I'm just saying the way things are right now in Arena, it isn't draft, never said you aren't allowed to enjoy it, but it's not draft, it's some mock-single-player attempt at something like draft, followed by versing 3 people with full 4 sets of the same cards which by design shouldn't be happening in a draft pod because you share packs and match within your pool. I understand you may not have x amount of time, than play a bo1 match, I'll stand by what I said, if you don't have the time why are you playing a game mode that requires you to draft, deck build, than play 5 matches? With an entry fee.

You know what i'm done whatever you wrote you're right i hope that makes you feel better i'll just be over here enjoying my online drafts.

I'm not reading any more of these walls of text talking about how drafting vs bots is the downfal of MTG or whatever point you're trying to make.

[John-Silver]

Originally posted by Legs0fSteel:

Originally posted by John-Silver:

Right sure, keep embracing the removal of any social aspect to a game that thrives on it. Keep paying to draft verse bots than matching people outside your pool and wondering why it feels unbalanced. It's not about having fun, it's about the game becoming more and more single player in design, you don't talk to anyone, you don't draft with anyone, you can't deck share with anyone without being labelled a "netdecker", I'm not saying paper magic is perfect either, I'm just saying the way things are right now in Arena, it isn't draft, never said you aren't allowed to enjoy it, but it's not draft, it's some mock-single-player attempt at something like draft, followed by versing 3 people with full 4 sets of the same cards which by design shouldn't be happening in a draft pod because you share packs and match within your pool. I understand you may not have x amount of time, than play a bo1 match, I'll stand by what I said, if you don't have the time why are you playing a game mode that requires you to draft, deck build, than play 5 matches? With an entry fee.

You know what i'm done whatever you wrote you're right i hope that makes you feel better i'll just be over here enjoying my online drafts.

I'm not reading any more of these walls of text talking about how drafting vs bots is the downfal of MTG or whatever point you're trying to make.

Literally say the problem is drafting in one pod and than matchmaking outside your pod into scenarios that shouldn't happen in draft by design, but you're so hung up on the word "bot" heesh, the problem isn't the bots themselves, if you versed the bots afterwards with the decks they drafted, my problem is with the matchmaking taking place outside your draft pod, your retort seems to only be about not having the time to sit their to draft-construct-verse, explain to me why you would opt to play a format that's longer than bo3 when your hard-pressed for time?

[Legs0fSteel]

Originally posted by John-Silver:

Originally posted by Legs0fSteel:

You know what i'm done whatever you wrote you're right i hope that makes you feel better i'll just be over here enjoying my online drafts.

I'm not reading any more of these walls of text talking about how drafting vs bots is the downfal of MTG or whatever point you're trying to make.

Literally say the problem is drafting in one pod and than matchmaking outside your pod into scenarios that shouldn't happen in draft by design, but you're so hung up on the word "bot" heesh, the problem isn't the bots themselves, if you versed the bots afterwards with the decks they drafted, my problem is with the matchmaking taking place outside your draft pod, your retort seems to only be about not having the time to sit their to draft-construct-verse, explain to me why you would opt to play a format that's longer than bo3 when your hard-pressed for time?

Yeah okay sure you're right whatever you said is correct.
I'm done arguing so can you stop trying to ''facts and logic'' me into oblivion.

[John-Silver]

Originally posted by Legs0fSteel:

Originally posted by John-Silver:

Literally say the problem is drafting in one pod and than matchmaking outside your pod into scenarios that shouldn't happen in draft by design, but you're so hung up on the word "bot" heesh, the problem isn't the bots themselves, if you versed the bots afterwards with the decks they drafted, my problem is with the matchmaking taking place outside your draft pod, your retort seems to only be about not having the time to sit their to draft-construct-verse, explain to me why you would opt to play a format that's longer than bo3 when your hard-pressed for time?

Yeah okay sure you're right whatever you said is correct.
I'm done arguing so can you stop trying to ''facts and logic'' me into oblivion.

Man you must be fun at Friday night magic with your friends.

[Legs0fSteel]

Originally posted by John-Silver:

Originally posted by Legs0fSteel:

Yeah okay sure you're right whatever you said is correct.
I'm done arguing so can you stop trying to ''facts and logic'' me into oblivion.

Man you must be fun at Friday night magic with your friends.

Just because i don't wanna engage in your debatelord nonsense anymore you're making it personal?

go back to moderating whatever small subreddit you run i'm sure there's someone who disagrees with that you can ban over there.

[John-Silver]

Originally posted by Legs0fSteel:

Originally posted by John-Silver:

Man you must be fun at Friday night magic with your friends.

Just because i don't wanna engage in your debatelord nonsense anymore you're making it personal?

go back to moderating whatever small subreddit you run i'm sure there's someone who disagrees with that you can ban over there.

I meant not wanting a social aspect to mtg, not everything is an attempt at "debatelord" I seriously asked you why you would play the longest game mode when you're stretched for time, you literally came out and said you don't care about the social aspect? I'm asking you to explain your stance, if you don't want to debate why did you post in the first place for me to quote and respond to?

[Legs0fSteel]

Originally posted by John-Silver:

Originally posted by Legs0fSteel:

Just because i don't wanna engage in your debatelord nonsense anymore you're making it personal?

go back to moderating whatever small subreddit you run i'm sure there's someone who disagrees with that you can ban over there.

I meant not wanting a social aspect to mtg, not everything is an attempt at "debatelord" I seriously asked you why you would play the longest game mode when you're stretched for time, you literally came out and said you don't care about the social aspect? I'm asking you to explain your stance, if you don't want to debate why did you post in the first place for me to quote and respond to?

I draft because it's fun and because not every picks the same cards even if the options are tthe same so you get more variety compared to constructed even when matching people outside your pool, And its a good way to grow your collection for when i am in the mood for some constructed.

And it being the longest game mode dosn't matter online because you can take a break after a game or two and continue on.
And it's a big plus when you don't have drive 30 minutes to play in a store with people who haven't had a shower for weeks.

Draft online and commander with friends at home or via webcam that's how i like my magic.

satisfied now? or do you have some sort of other fallacy to point out.

[John-Silver]

Originally posted by Legs0fSteel:

Originally posted by John-Silver:

I meant not wanting a social aspect to mtg, not everything is an attempt at "debatelord" I seriously asked you why you would play the longest game mode when you're stretched for time, you literally came out and said you don't care about the social aspect? I'm asking you to explain your stance, if you don't want to debate why did you post in the first place for me to quote and respond to?

I draft because it's fun and because not every picks the same cards even if the options are tthe same so you get more variety compared to constructed even when matching people outside your pool, And its a good way to grow your collection for when i am in the mood for some constructed.

And it being the longest game mode dosn't matter online because you can take a break after a game or two and continue on.
And it's a big plus when you don't have drive 30 minutes to play in a store with people who haven't had a shower for weeks.

Draft online and commander with friends at home or via webcam that's how i like my magic.

satisfied now? or do you have some sort of other fallacy to point out.

I have never seen a man so butt hurt about explaining his reasoning behind a point he posted in a public thread for everyone to reply to, yes I'm happy to understand your point of view, I'm sorry expanding upon your original post was so aggravating apparently.

[Legs0fSteel]

Originally posted by John-Silver:

Originally posted by Legs0fSteel:

I draft because it's fun and because not every picks the same cards even if the options are tthe same so you get more variety compared to constructed even when matching people outside your pool, And its a good way to grow your collection for when i am in the mood for some constructed.

And it being the longest game mode dosn't matter online because you can take a break after a game or two and continue on.
And it's a big plus when you don't have drive 30 minutes to play in a store with people who haven't had a shower for weeks.

Draft online and commander with friends at home or via webcam that's how i like my magic.

satisfied now? or do you have some sort of other fallacy to point out.

I have never seen a man so butt hurt about explaining his reasoning behind a point he posted in a public thread for everyone to reply to, yes I'm happy to understand your point of view, I'm sorry expanding upon your original post was so aggravating apparently.

The main thiing for me was between all the points ''never intended'' and how i disagreed about how MTGA is trying to emulate the paper experience you just kept on moving the goalpost (at least how i saw it).
I just figured ''we're never gonna agree anyways so just say he/she is right that will get them off your back''

[John-Silver]

Originally posted by Legs0fSteel:

Originally posted by John-Silver:

I have never seen a man so butt hurt about explaining his reasoning behind a point he posted in a public thread for everyone to reply to, yes I'm happy to understand your point of view, I'm sorry expanding upon your original post was so aggravating apparently.

The main thiing for me was between all the points ''never intended'' and how i disagreed about how MTGA is trying to emulate the paper experience you just kept on moving the goalpost (at least how i saw it).
I just figured ''we're never gonna agree anyways so just say he/she is right that will get them off your back''

I try not to come across as one of those peoples, IMO draft wasn't intended as a short form of play, that being said I forgot about the lack of a "time limit" on the draft matches, which could be neat in some ways but I still feel like draft on Arena is missing a lot of the magic of a proper draft pod, and I wish people would get away from card player stinks bs, sure I've met a couple of them in my time in hobby shops etc. but from my personal experience majority of the people I've met and played with at game shops didn't smell of B.O. they smelt like an excessive amount of Axe, like they thought they'd be picking up chicks at FNM lol.

I should also add draft holds a special place in my heart, and it pains me to see the social aspect of it stripped away so haphazardly by WoTC.

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by John-Silver:

Originally posted by Legs0fSteel:

If you don't like the way online drafting works just don't play it?
Imagine being so full of yourself that you start to berate other people because they like to play something in a different way, Again if it really was an issue WotC would change it.

Also MTGA has stopped emulatiing the paper verison of MTG for years now with exclusive game modes, cards and bannings they are not the same.
There's a reason i only draft on MTGA and only play commander IRL because they are different from their online and paper versions.

You sound like an elderly person telling at kids because they like a remix of his favourite song from the 70's saying ''this isn't how you're supposed to have fun''

Chill out.

Right sure, keep embracing the removal of any social aspect to a game that thrives on it. Keep paying to draft verse bots than matching people outside your pool and wondering why it feels unbalanced. It's not about having fun, it's about the game becoming more and more single player in design, you don't talk to anyone, you don't draft with anyone, you can't deck share with anyone without being labelled a "netdecker"

The problem is this is basically inherent to the difference between paper Magic and Arena. Almost none of the social elements of paper Magic apply here to begin with; draft isn't really special in that regard.

[John-Silver]

Originally posted by Malvastor:

Originally posted by John-Silver:

Right sure, keep embracing the removal of any social aspect to a game that thrives on it. Keep paying to draft verse bots than matching people outside your pool and wondering why it feels unbalanced. It's not about having fun, it's about the game becoming more and more single player in design, you don't talk to anyone, you don't draft with anyone, you can't deck share with anyone without being labelled a "netdecker"

The problem is this is basically inherent to the difference between paper Magic and Arena. Almost none of the social elements of paper Magic apply here to begin with; draft isn't really special in that regard.

Was more of a context related point to what we were going back and forth on. I get that an online draft scene is prone to becoming such but I still feel like WoTC is trying to remove as much social aspect of the game conveniently right before the whole set block length change and everything else, everything just seems to be to conveniently timed, than again I might be giving WoTC to much credit for their ability to scheme.

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by John-Silver:

Originally posted by Malvastor:

The problem is this is basically inherent to the difference between paper Magic and Arena. Almost none of the social elements of paper Magic apply here to begin with; draft isn't really special in that regard.

Was more of a context related point to what we were going back and forth on. I get that an online draft scene is prone to becoming such but I still feel like WoTC is trying to remove as much social aspect of the game conveniently right before the whole set block length change and everything else, everything just seems to be to conveniently timed, than again I might be giving WoTC to much credit for their ability to scheme.

I actually think it's more that they're afraid of the hassle and/or liability of managing an online social scene. Wizards has always struck me as more blundering than scheming.

[Zlehtnoba]

Originally posted by Malvastor:

Originally posted by John-Silver:

Was more of a context related point to what we were going back and forth on. I get that an online draft scene is prone to becoming such but I still feel like WoTC is trying to remove as much social aspect of the game conveniently right before the whole set block length change and everything else, everything just seems to be to conveniently timed, than again I might be giving WoTC to much credit for their ability to scheme.

I actually think it's more that they're afraid of the hassle and/or liability of managing an online social scene. Wizards has always struck me as more blundering than scheming.

Definitely this. I seem to recall an answer about guilds on Arena, where they said that free online tools exist for anyone who wants to make a guild, and they won't be adding them to Arena.

[John-Silver]

Originally posted by Zlehtnoba:

Originally posted by Malvastor:

I actually think it's more that they're afraid of the hassle and/or liability of managing an online social scene. Wizards has always struck me as more blundering than scheming.

Definitely this. I seem to recall an answer about guilds on Arena, where they said that free online tools exist for anyone who wants to make a guild, and they won't be adding them to Arena.

What gets me is I believe it's purely a monetary reason ta-boot, they could afford to pay admins/mods for chat, just like they could've when the volunteer staff of their own original forums asked for some sort of compensation for the work that had to go into moderating the original forums -in WoTC eyes- but they said no bluntly than and shut down the forums and they seem to be standing by that decision.