Don't play Draft events on Arena

[priestj89]

Play draft in person. The game doesn't limit your opponents to your draft group. Cards that were not available to you during the draft, are played against you. You can't expect a fair match. Ive seen the worst shenanigans during draft events. Like the opponent playing 6 lands and 6 permanents on a perfect curve. What a joke. Don't spend ANY money on this app. I wouldn't even recommend using the gold. Honestly, after 4+ years on the app. Just play brawl. None of the app is worth the time unless you're streaming for WotC. They're all vultures that ruin the meta. All of them spam decks that are at the top of tournament lists and pat themselves on the back. The whole culture revolving around magic right now is disgusting. Reprinting, the pokemon style art flood, collaborations(worlds beyond), deck cloning on crack, etc, etc.
Just to reiterate. DONT SPEND YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY ON ARENA.

[Kurt Angle's Neck]

Glad you were able to get that off your chest, hope the rest of your day goes better.

[The_Dybbuk_King]

I'm really glad that happened or sorry to hear that.

[Zlehtnoba]

Oh well, playing drafts on Arena is just so fun, and free. It's certainly different than real life, true, but your opponents also can't cheat while drafting.

Six lands is six turns is mana flood in draft. You want to top at five, preferably not until turn six or so. Playing sixes is reserved for bombs. One of the best red cards for draft is the 4/5 reach for five that lets you cache in lands after number five for more spells. Thinking that six lands in six turns is curving out in draft shows that you have skill issues.

[Darkclaw3050]

I love draft, it's how I have gotten most of my cards and gems. Could be better, but could be much worse.

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by priestj89:

Play draft in person.

But I'd have to leave my house for that.

[priestj89]

Draft on Arena should be limited to your draft group. If you have to wait for 8 players to fill the queue, then those should be the only ones you should be facing. Not pre-made decks piloted by bots. How do so many decks I've faced in draft have play sets of multiple uncommons and 2 or 3 rares? The odds 🤣
I'm just here to educated new players not to spend money on draft tokens, or gems. If you want to save your gold, as I already mentioned(for the slow ones), go for it. But be aware you'll be in a queue waiting for 7 other people. Just to go up against "people" who didn't draft cards with. It's a joke. The app is a joke.

[duaner_83]

It's completely rigged. I have seen the game break the rules of statistical probability more times than I can count now. The way "variance" works IRL is not how it works on Arena. At all. I shouldn't be able to see 12 cards in a 40 card deck with 16 land and not find a single one besides the two I started with. Rigged. Rigged AF.

[swagen2167]

That's nothing. Connect The Dots for 11. 10 of them were lands.

[Doctor Zalgo]

Originally posted by duaner_83:

It's completely rigged. I have seen the game break the rules of statistical probability more times than I can count now. The way "variance" works IRL is not how it works on Arena. At all. I shouldn't be able to see 12 cards in a 40 card deck with 16 land and not find a single one besides the two I started with. Rigged. Rigged AF.

At what point should the RNG step in and force a land to make it 'random'?

[Zlehtnoba]

Originally posted by priestj89:

Draft on Arena should be limited to your draft group. If you have to wait for 8 players to fill the queue, then those should be the only ones you should be facing. Not pre-made decks piloted by bots. How do so many decks I've faced in draft have play sets of multiple uncommons and 2 or 3 rares? The odds 🤣
I'm just here to educated new players not to spend money on draft tokens, or gems. If you want to save your gold, as I already mentioned(for the slow ones), go for it. But be aware you'll be in a queue waiting for 7 other people. Just to go up against "people" who didn't draft cards with. It's a joke. The app is a joke.

This was discussed endlessly when the out-of-pool play was introduced on Magic Online. The problem with in-pool play is that you have to dedicate two hours of your time to a draft, and then wait between rounds for the other games to finish. This is certainly how it should work in the big tournaments with real money on the line, but for your daily Magic fix, it's too much of a commitment.

You never face a bot when playing draft games. It's only players.

[Free Palestine]

Originally posted by Doctor Zalgo:

Originally posted by duaner_83:

It's completely rigged. I have seen the game break the rules of statistical probability more times than I can count now. The way "variance" works IRL is not how it works on Arena. At all. I shouldn't be able to see 12 cards in a 40 card deck with 16 land and not find a single one besides the two I started with. Rigged. Rigged AF.

At what point should the RNG step in and force a land to make it 'random'?

It should always be random.

[nul]

"i lost. the only explanation is that the game is out to get me"

[priestj89]

Originally posted by Zlehtnoba:

Originally posted by priestj89:

Draft on Arena should be limited to your draft group. If you have to wait for 8 players to fill the queue, then those should be the only ones you should be facing. Not pre-made decks piloted by bots. How do so many decks I've faced in draft have play sets of multiple uncommons and 2 or 3 rares? The odds 🤣
I'm just here to educated new players not to spend money on draft tokens, or gems. If you want to save your gold, as I already mentioned(for the slow ones), go for it. But be aware you'll be in a queue waiting for 7 other people. Just to go up against "people" who didn't draft cards with. It's a joke. The app is a joke.

This was discussed endlessly when the out-of-pool play was introduced on Magic Online. The problem with in-pool play is that you have to dedicate two hours of your time to a draft, and then wait between rounds for the other games to finish. This is certainly how it should work in the big tournaments with real money on the line, but for your daily Magic fix, it's too much of a commitment.

You never face a bot when playing draft games. It's only players.

Then why are players forced to wait for another 7 players to queue? If the parameters of the draft aren't going to apply then why make someone wait to enter a draft? Are you saying there are thousands of players in the ether waiting to queue up for a draft match? In the same sets and formats? Get outta here. Playing a sealed historic block draft and running into players not in your draft group is blantant botting. No way are there a never-ending queue of online, and ready, players in draft lobbies. Tf out of here. If you're going to invest gems, tokens, or gold to play draft. Wouldn't it be worth sticking around and playing. Then base the rewards on playing 2 matches, then everyone is ranked by win/loss/(dq). Better than try and get as many wins as possible, in a blatantly rigged system. The house, in this case Arena, always wins. They want you to spend MORE.

[nul]

Originally posted by priestj89:

Originally posted by Zlehtnoba:

This was discussed endlessly when the out-of-pool play was introduced on Magic Online. The problem with in-pool play is that you have to dedicate two hours of your time to a draft, and then wait between rounds for the other games to finish. This is certainly how it should work in the big tournaments with real money on the line, but for your daily Magic fix, it's too much of a commitment.

You never face a bot when playing draft games. It's only players.

Then why are players forced to wait for another 7 players to queue? If the parameters of the draft aren't going to apply then why make someone wait to enter a draft? Are you saying there are thousands of players in the ether waiting to queue up for a draft match? In the same sets and formats? Get outta here. Playing a sealed historic block draft and running into players not in your draft group is blantant botting. No way are there a never-ending queue of online, and ready, players in draft lobbies. Tf out of here. If you're going to invest gems, tokens, or gold to play draft. Wouldn't it be worth sticking around and playing. Then base the rewards on playing 2 matches, then everyone is ranked by win/loss/(dq). Better than try and get as many wins as possible, in a blatantly rigged system. The house, in this case Arena, always wins. They want you to spend MORE.

Let me break it down for you.
Right now there is premier draft. This makes you draft with 7 other players because they use data from premier draft to use for quick draft. These can be literally any 7 players looking to start draft. The same drafting strategies apply here as they do in person.
Then once it's gone on long enough, they then have the data needed to make quick draft possible. So the draft bots will actually take certain cards and whatnot. To try and make it a similar power level to premier draft. This is not possible for them to do without waiting to see how pick priorities go in a real drafting process. This is why you have to wait for 7 other players to queue in.

Then comes in the matchmaking for actual matches. This is a ranked format. So your matches are then based on your rank. Yes, once players have finished their like, 5-10 minutes of picking cards, they are in fact ready to play their 3-9 10-30 minute matches. That may be why there's more playerd in the match queue than the draft queue. More matches, and matches take longer.


I have no idea where you're pulling the bots thing from. If you think it's in any way financially viable to make a bot play MTG well, let alone in draft, then by all means, explain how that could be done.

As for your idea... Two matches..? Really? Sounds like you only want to play the format for quick payouts rather than actually playing the mode itself.

[priestj89]

As for your idea... Two matches..? Really? Sounds like you only want to play the format for quick payouts rather than actually playing the mode itself. [/quote]

The idea is to give a flat reward like the 0 wins option. Then based on rank, which would encourage playing out games, instead of scooping turn early. That's where the gems and extra rewards could be walled. I'm just saying the current climate of any format on Arena right now is centered around losing, to make you spend. Oh 1 draft didn't go too well? Just get some gems and play another one. Or wait a week or two, rolling daily tasks to earn enough to play another...

As for your other point... they literally have bot matches... they have literal games were the AI's difficulty increases... my god. Defending this game is just a hanlons razor situation. Yall aren't evil. I get that, but you're defending greed. Not a person, or some friends. But a corrupted money pit with a sign saying Magic:the Gathering.