Nonexistant counter play options against specific match ups in standard?

[Mr.Black]

1. Toxic/Poison counters
2. Discard
3. Mill

For the past 3 days ive been playing slow midrange decks and overwhelming majority of the time been going up against those types of decks without any way of actually recovering after spending the early game just trying to get ♥♥♥♥ on the board.

Why arent there any options available in standard to atleast have a fighting chance instead of just conceding coz the discard player has sheoldred/Jace, the perfected mind and all your removal is either exiled or in graveyard.

[Stensson]

mill seems way too weak for standard to bring hate cards for it, I think it will lose to mono red like 9/10 matches if not more

for poison the counterplay is the same as any format, block the toxic creatures and counter the poison spells, also a weak deck for standard honestly

discard is the only one that warrants a sideboard from these 3, I would recommend obstinate baloth

[Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn]

There are some cards that let you shuffle cards from your graveyard into your library, which can prevent your opponent from milling you. It's mostly a blue or green thing. You can also try playing Omen cards to slightly slow down your deck depletion.

[Mr.Black]

Should have been more specific. Against blue-green Toxic proliferate decks are consistently my worst match ups. I play a lot of midrange. i dont play aggro so much since in casual play.

Mill and discard are about the same and heavily depend on which deck im playing and what i have in hand since i play a lot of jank outside of ranked matches.

[Mr.Black]

Originally posted by Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn:

There are some cards that let you shuffle cards from your graveyard into your library, which can prevent your opponent from milling you. It's mostly a blue or green thing. You can also try playing Omen cards to slightly slow down your deck depletion.

Recommendations?

[Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn]

Originally posted by Mr.Black:

Originally posted by Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn:

There are some cards that let you shuffle cards from your graveyard into your library, which can prevent your opponent from milling you. It's mostly a blue or green thing. You can also try playing Omen cards to slightly slow down your deck depletion.

Recommendations?

Feldon's Cane - if you need a hard counter against mill only
Cathartic Parting - if you need some artifact/enchantment removal
Rite of Renewal - if you want to quickly recover some important cards from graveyard
Progenitus - if you can cheat mana to play it

Alternatively, if you're playing white or black, you can return milled cards back. Playing spells like "Raise the Past" might instantly kill an opponent who tries to mill your deck (assuming your deck is built for such a thing). There are also cards that simply become stronger with each card in the graveyard (e.g., Souls of the Lost).

Cards with Flashback, Harmonize, or Renew can be considered as optional help against mill.

[lockwoodx]

Originally posted by Mr.Black:

Recommendations?

My Blk/Blu Threshold deck shuts down mill pretty easy because I want to be milled. You want Thopter Mechanics, Evangel of Synthesis, Kiora, the Rising Tides, Dreadwing Scavengers, and of course Gurgling Anointers who bring your stuff back from the dead.
Mix in some drawing/denial and you're all set.

As for toxic/poison I just concede instantly because I'd rather punch the kind of player who uses that deck rather than give them the time for a match.

[Winter Wolf]

Vs toxic, you simply have to damage them faster and harder than they can proliferate you out of the game. Usually they have very little in the way of meaningful blockers so you need creatures with ward vs their bounce and enough power to put their clock low enough to finish them. Either that or run reanimator strategies.

Reanimator also works nicely vs Mill, though beware of their exilers.

Mill typically isn't fast enough but given the best hands possible (aka godhands) they can put up a reasonable offense to match your own if you're midrange. Your lifetotal doesn't matter so let that work for you with fast painful mana and get your beaters in before they mill you out.

Discard also hates reanimator. And there are a few cards specifically designed to hose discard. Wilt-leaf liege is the better of the two but both are green.

[Hariman]

The primary counter to anything in this game is to embrace the suck and look up how to build the most ridiculously broken instant win decks/strategies possible... and often to just use the same BS against everyone else.

While spending a bunch of money on each new set.

And playing constantly, because it's free to sell your soul to play.

(Quit now, while you still can.)