Countering Discards

[Dawi]

There aren't enough punishing cards for people playing discard decks. Like Gaia's Blessing against mill decks. Create it.

[Gilga ™ |Yonaguni|]

There are enough cards in the game that let you draw cards also there is the white leyline.

[magnumaniac]

Discard decks are easily beaten - they just run out of steam. Half their cards (at least) are dead draws beyond turn 4 or 5.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

Be the guy with the 250 card pile

[Gilga ™ |Yonaguni|]

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

Be the guy with the 250 card pile

There is nothing wrong to be the guy;=)

[Malvastor]

Counter for discard is graveyard decks. Whatever they discard, dig it up and throw it in their face.

(Unfortunately the counter for that is any of several "cards go into exile instead of graveyard" effects...)

[Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn]

The most basic counter to discard is card draw. Another basic counter are cheap cards - red aggro probably doesn't bother with discard at all. A partial counter to discard decks are Flashback cards (can be cast from the grave) and Spectacle cards (can be cast for Spectacle cost when discarded). But overall I feel like card draw is enough to counter it.

[Traumaturgy]

I think its otherwise, red aggro is very fragile to discard. If it doesnt kill you in 3-4 rounds its finished, and killing within 3 rounds is hard to do when discarding every turn creature or instant to buff them.

[John-Silver]

IMO opinion flash is your best bet against discard (in historic), flash creatures to be specific, you play nothing, they throw a discard, you cast a creature you've now forced them to keep up with a discard + destroy every turn, majority of my flashables are 1-3 cost cards with 2 being the most abundant, more often than not your first 1 and 2 drop will stick, faerie mastermind allows you to draw whenever your opponent would draw off waste not by discarding things like ashiok's eraser, no more lies and path to tuinvale.

[The_Dybbuk_King]

Originally posted by Malvastor:

Counter for discard is graveyard decks. Whatever they discard, dig it up and throw it in their face.

(Unfortunately the counter for that is any of several "cards go into exile instead of graveyard" effects...)

Fun stuff you can do is something like:

Run high value CMC ≤3 creatures (Gix, Tinybones, Adeline, deep cavern bat)
+
Self discard (Tinybones joins up/Lili of the Veil)
+
Reanimator spells (Recommission/Call a surprise witness/Kaervek)

Make sure to run some interaction of your own to shut down other aggro decks.

Very fun deck that beats out a lot of gimmicky nonsense (by being pretty gimmicky) but loses pretty hard to graveyard hate.

The strategy isn't super consistent either, so you will likely get beat out by more efficient meta decks. But when you get the T1 Tinybones Joins Up T2 Flying Adeline T3 Gix, your opponent kind of just explodes.

Discard players get smoked by this nonsense too. Though, the new cards that exile cards from your hand rather than discard are pretty problematic now.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

Inti impulse draws on discard
There's a lot of hellbent cards in red, pierce the veil is newest RG, most give you 3 cards at least. You can't be forced to discard impulse draw.
Maybe return the favor is good?

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by Traumaturgy:

I think its otherwise, red aggro is very fragile to discard. If it doesnt kill you in 3-4 rounds its finished, and killing within 3 rounds is hard to do when discarding every turn creature or instant to buff them.

Yeah, mono red's problem is they really need to kill you with their starting hand. They'll burn through 2-3 cards a turn for the first couple turns and if you're not dead or close by then they're screwed. Losing their Burn Bright or Heartfire Hero first turn can ruin them.

[ice]

the game literally automatically counters discard for u it's called drawing a card every turn..

there's endless ways to beat discard the whinging about it is pathetic

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by ice:

the game literally automatically counters discard for u it's called drawing a card every turn..

there's endless ways to beat discard the whinging about it is pathetic

There are plenty of ways to counter discard, but let's be real- drawing at upkeep isn't one of them. Even in normal circumstances if you play one land and a spell or two per turn and only draw at upkeep you'll run out of cards in hand before too long. A discard deck a card or so per turn can lock you down pretty quickly.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

Originally posted by Malvastor:

Originally posted by ice:

the game literally automatically counters discard for u it's called drawing a card every turn..

there's endless ways to beat discard the whinging about it is pathetic

There are plenty of ways to counter discard, but let's be real- drawing at upkeep isn't one of them. Even in normal circumstances if you play one land and a spell or two per turn and only draw at upkeep you'll run out of cards in hand before too long. A discard deck a card or so per turn can lock you down pretty quickly.

you don't draw at upkeep, you draw at the draw step. Obeka players know this.

[John-Silver]

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

Originally posted by Malvastor:

There are plenty of ways to counter discard, but let's be real- drawing at upkeep isn't one of them. Even in normal circumstances if you play one land and a spell or two per turn and only draw at upkeep you'll run out of cards in hand before too long. A discard deck a card or so per turn can lock you down pretty quickly.

you don't draw at upkeep, you draw at the draw step. Obeka players know this.

Please 75% of the time when playing paper magic with my friends I draw on my end step, cause I never forget an action or trigger...