12 Lands in a row.

[Red Bishop]

12. I mean really?! There's only 37 in my deck of 100. And i was double drawing each turn, plus I could see the top of my library. 12 lands. literally just staring at forests for 7 turns straight. Great shuffler.

[Doctor Zalgo]

CENSORED AGAIN!!!님이 먼저 게시:

anaris님이 먼저 게시:

it's the opposite, it's what vegas makes guests do if they've touched a deck to guarantee a full shuffle lol

didn't someone get eaten by a tiger? :S

That's only if they catch you card counting.

[Jessica Sherawat]

When you play over 60 card decks expect to lose a lot because by doing that your playing against statistics. You will draw all cards or all lands more than a 60 card deck. Fact! Just play with a 60 card deck, would be so much more fun to play against...

[Ha 何豪源]

the randomness is decided by the mood of the devs, i assume

[John-Silver]

What were you playing against? Not that big of a surprise to draw 10 land back to back against things like heist etc. that remove nonland cards from your deck

[ファームボット]

The shuffler in this game is just rigged. Its simple as that.
Dont really think I need to explain that its mathematically impossible to 100% loose every 2-4 games due to perma land drawing or only monster/non land drawing in a row.

[John-Silver]

ファームボット님이 먼저 게시:

The shuffler in this game is just rigged. Its simple as that.
Dont really think I need to explain that its mathematically impossible to 100% loose every 2-4 games due to perma land drawing or only monster/non land drawing in a row.

Shuffler isn't rigged, handsmoother is poorly implemented, it can draw 3 hands and just decide to give you the most horrible hand possible as it's only slightly skewed in the favour of the hand closest to your deck's curve, but if you draw 2/3 hands that are bad the handsmoother is more likely to give you horrible a hand. They also don't "shuffle" the deck but assign random numbers to cards and just randomly pull a number and have you draw that card, I'm 100% sure of this because I've played a game where I had 2 copies of angel of the dire hour, I mulliganed once and got both copies opening hand, I proceeded to put one of them bottom deck as my mulligan's returned card, second draw into the game I draw the angel of the dire hour that should've been on the bottom of my deck, this method of shuffling can be horrible in a card game because of how the numbers are assigned, say you have 20 land and they number them 1-20, if the system to decide the number of the card you're going to draw decides to choose multiple numbers between 1-20 your going to get land flooded and if it picks a bunch above 20 your never going to get land, this seems to be in tune with player's experience with mana flood/screw.

[Argstein]

John-Silver님이 먼저 게시:

I've played a game where I had 2 copies of angel of the dire hour, I mulliganed once and got both copies opening hand, I proceeded to put one of them bottom deck as my mulligan's returned card, second draw into the game I draw the angel of the dire hour that should've been on the bottom of my deck

i don't think it ever says that your post-mulligan returned cards are going anywhere specific
all this means is they just get shuffled back into the library

[John-Silver]

Argstein님이 먼저 게시:

John-Silver님이 먼저 게시:

I've played a game where I had 2 copies of angel of the dire hour, I mulliganed once and got both copies opening hand, I proceeded to put one of them bottom deck as my mulligan's returned card, second draw into the game I draw the angel of the dire hour that should've been on the bottom of my deck

i don't think it ever says that your post-mulligan returned cards are going anywhere specific
all this means is they just get shuffled back into the library

Here's how london mulligans work, and have always worked, rather simple to google:

In Magic: The Gathering Arena, the mulligan is performed using the London Mulligan, which is the most common mulligan rule in the game:

Shuffle: Shuffle your hand back into your library

Draw: Draw a new hand of cards equal to your starting hand size

Put cards on the bottom: Put a number of cards equal to the number of times you've mulliganed on the bottom of your library

Choose: If you like your hand, choose one card and put it on the bottom of your library

Repeat: If you don't like your hand, put them all back and repeat the process

You don't shuffle your deck after mulliganing the card to the bottom of the deck

[anaris]

ファームボット님이 먼저 게시:

The shuffler in this game is just rigged. Its simple as that.
Dont really think I need to explain that its mathematically impossible to 100% loose every 2-4 games due to perma land drawing or only monster/non land drawing in a row.

I think you do need to explain it, because that is a ridiculous claim. Why do you think random shuffles do not permit any possible order of cards, which is the definition of a random shuffle?

[anaris]

John-Silver님이 먼저 게시:

They also don't "shuffle" the deck but assign random numbers to cards and just randomly pull a number and have you draw that card, I'm 100% sure of this because I've played a game where I had 2 copies of angel of the dire hour,

The devs say otherwise, and this single example should not make you 100% sure (or even 95% sure). The outcomes in Arena match what the developers say, which is that deck order is decided at the time of shuffling using a fisher-yates algorithm that takes its input from a mersenne twister which is seeded with 256 cryptographically-secure random bits (which may well be true randomness, it's easy to get in modern systems)

[Kurt Angle's Neck]

It's time to go to bed guys, Santa will know if you're awake.

[Ragnoraok]

anaris님이 먼저 게시:

John-Silver님이 먼저 게시:

They also don't "shuffle" the deck but assign random numbers to cards and just randomly pull a number and have you draw that card, I'm 100% sure of this because I've played a game where I had 2 copies of angel of the dire hour,

The devs say otherwise, and this single example should not make you 100% sure (or even 95% sure). The outcomes in Arena match what the developers say, which is that deck order is decided at the time of shuffling using a fisher-yates algorithm that takes its input from a mersenne twister which is seeded with 256 cryptographically-secure random bits (which may well be true randomness, it's easy to get in modern systems)

I stopped playing years ago, but Arena's shuffler was proven to be broken.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/bad3oj/retrospective_on_analyzing_shuffling_in_a_million/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/bauvbs/i_analyzed_shuffling_again_in_150k_games/

[John-Silver]

anaris님이 먼저 게시:

John-Silver님이 먼저 게시:

They also don't "shuffle" the deck but assign random numbers to cards and just randomly pull a number and have you draw that card, I'm 100% sure of this because I've played a game where I had 2 copies of angel of the dire hour,

The devs say otherwise, and this single example should not make you 100% sure (or even 95% sure). The outcomes in Arena match what the developers say, which is that deck order is decided at the time of shuffling using a fisher-yates algorithm that takes its input from a mersenne twister which is seeded with 256 cryptographically-secure random bits (which may well be true randomness, it's easy to get in modern systems)

This is my belief to untill the incident with the angel of the dire hour, it should've been bottom decked, but it was the second card I top decked, this goes against everything that should be happening unless they've changed the mulligan system without noting it anywhere for the players.

[Malvastor]

Ragnoraok님이 먼저 게시:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/bauvbs/i_analyzed_shuffling_again_in_150k_games/

Amazing how many people post this link without reading the very first line on the page:

u/Douglasjm님이 먼저 게시:

Data gathered after this post shows an abrupt change in distribution precisely when War of the Spark was released on Arena, April 25, 2019. After that Arena update, all of the new data that I've looked at closely matches the expected distributions for a correct shuffle.

[Ragnoraok]

Malvastor님이 먼저 게시:

Ragnoraok님이 먼저 게시:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/bauvbs/i_analyzed_shuffling_again_in_150k_games/

Amazing how many people post this link without reading the very first line on the page:

u/Douglasjm님이 먼저 게시:

Data gathered after this post shows an abrupt change in distribution precisely when War of the Spark was released on Arena, April 25, 2019. After that Arena update, all of the new data that I've looked at closely matches the expected distributions for a correct shuffle.

Yea....the shuffler was proven to be broken, and the WOTC fixed it covertly in subsequent patches.

It doesn't distract from the fact that the shuffler was broken during times when armchair statisticians swore that everything was fine. Keep in mind that tournaments were held while the shuffler was broken, which makes this whole thing even more worrisome.

BTW, there were MANY exploits/abuses that players found that WOTC patched. For example, draft bots were rigged in a manner where players were literally able to predict the next draft pool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Nh7nzqgj0&list=PLLDJeicF1tlrPyrSzu__01jUYcVU6evM2&index=2

People created an algorithm to run the game automatically for dailies. This code was later used to stall players out for free wins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RIIMyDkq1o&list=PLLDJeicF1tlrPyrSzu__01jUYcVU6evM2&index=9

There was (and possibly still is) a major abuse where people could easily reach mythic by intentionally losing many matches once they reach a new medal, because you cannot go down to a lower medal. After you intentionally lose many games, your MMR will be so low that the game will put you against other players who also have low MMR - these players are those with starter decks, more than 60 cards in a deck, very low-power cards, or just flat out bad players. And yes, I have seen people in high platinum with starter decks......somehow. You can use this trick to get to mythic in a fraction of the time than the normal grind, but your MMR will be low once you make it to mythic. However, you can easily climb up the ranks of mythic once you actually get through the grind, because beating most mythic players have above average MMR, so if you manage to beat them then your gains would be substantially higher than grinding in platinum for months. As far as I am aware, they never changed this system because this is a flaw with the way they handle MMR and ranked in general.