the power creep is kinda out of control...

[kingjames488]

and it's diminishing the significance of making a good play.

it doesn't feel important to revive valgavoth when I can do it on turn 3 and then get wiped and revive it 4 more times by turn 6 and still lose to some ridiculous combo that spits out a dozen 6/6 tokens every turn >.>

the numbers don't mean anything if you diminish them... and add like a billion board wipes.
kinda like how "can not be destoryed" is kinda pointless when you can have someone sacrifice it.. like why even have that?
or why have a card that says "hexproof from instants" that can be countered with an instant spell?

bunch of nonsense goin on...

[Traumaturgy]

Its not nonsense, its giving players opportunity to get rid of some cards. You trick-play Valgavoth turn 3 and you think you should win, but opponent should have chance to deal with it somehow. Thats why boardwipes exist, and effects like sacrifice. No creature should be immune to everything.
And hexproof is effect of cards that are on battlefield, when you play this card its not there yet, hence you can counter it. Non-counterable cards have 'this card cant be countered'.
Its not nonsense, these are different effects.

[kingjames488]

might as well have just made the card an artifact... would have been just as immune to cut down >.>

besides, they're not doing all this crap to make the game more fun for the players, they're doing it to make it more fun for people to watch.

that's basically wotc biggest problem with magic is they can't monetise the broadcasts cuz it's not "exciting" enough for the e-spots crowd... so they gotta make the game arbitrarily more "interesting"(read more things happening, numbers go burr).

same with the familiar IPs like iron man... it's not so we can have fun playing it, it's so other people who don't know or care about magic can have fun watching it and be served ads...

we the players are just dancing monkeys to them.

[Kurt Angle's Neck]

You've been playing the game for two months, and have been through one set change. What makes you think you are qualified to speak on the state of balance and power creep? At which point in the 30+ years of this game do you think that things were the most balanced?
It's a rhetorical question, I know you don't have an actual answer, because you've only been playing for two months, only been through a single set change, and still haven't even played some of the most popular formats

[kingjames488]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kurt Angle's Neck:

You've been playing the game for two months, and have been through one set change. What makes you think you are qualified to speak on the state of balance and power creep? At which point in the 30+ years of this game do you think that things were the most balanced?
It's a rhetorical question, I know you don't have an actual answer, because you've only been playing for two months, only been through a single set change, and still haven't even played some of the most popular formats

I mean... as long as you can admit you're jaded...

sometimes one just can't see the forest for the trees.

[Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn]

Power creep can be felt more in Historic/Timeless mode, because here synergies are so strong, you barely can keep with answering them. In Timeless it's pretty normal to be dead before 3rd turn. 5-mana board clears seem useless at this point.

[Kurt Angle's Neck]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kingjames488:

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I mean... as long as you can admit you're jaded...

sometimes one just can't see the forest for the trees.

You were just heli-dropped into the middle of the same forest that many of us have spent literal decades exploring and mapping, and yet you constantly want to act like a forest guide. Tell us then, oh great forest seer, at what point in the last 3 decades of this game has it been the most balanced?

[Traumaturgy]

At beta ;)

[kingjames488]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kurt Angle's Neck:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kingjames488:

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I mean... as long as you can admit you're jaded...

sometimes one just can't see the forest for the trees.

You were just heli-dropped into the middle of the same forest that many of us have spent literal decades exploring and mapping, and yet you constantly want to act like a forest guide. Tell us then, oh great forest seer, at what point in the last 3 decades of this game has it been the most balanced?

I mean... if I was dropped in from a helicopter it stands to reason I was just recently in a helicopter and might know what way to go to get out of the woods...
might at least be worth listening...

and it was likely most balanced 30 years ago before they added a bunch of power creep?

[Kurt Angle's Neck]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kingjames488:

might at least be worth listening...

I have read everything you've posted on here, and since the very beginning you've been making arrogant assertions as if you're some sort of authority who's opinion should be respected, while being clearly and blatantly wrong. Every time you are called out, you childishly try and change the subject instead of addressing the issue, and then you move on to the next thread and continue spewing the exact same nonsense. Even though you have continually proven that you're not worth listening to, I've listened anyway. The problem isn't that I'm not listening to you, it's that you say absolutely absurd things such as this;

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kingjames488:

and it was likely most balanced 30 years ago before they added a bunch of power creep?

which if you even bothered to do the slightest amount of research you'd realize just how ridiculous it is. There were literally turn 0 wins back then. You have no clue what you're talking about, and yet I'm certain that you will continue to assert yourself as some sort of expert. How are you not embarrassed by your own behavior?

[Gilga ™ |Yonaguni|]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kolarahidumgarabashtelarimdugarn:

Power creep can be felt more in Historic/Timeless mode, because here synergies are so strong, you barely can keep with answering them. In Timeless it's pretty normal to be dead before 3rd turn. 5-mana board clears seem useless at this point.

Indeed.

[The_Dybbuk_King]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kurt Angle's Neck:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kingjames488:

might at least be worth listening...

I have read everything you've posted on here, and since the very beginning you've been making arrogant assertions as if you're some sort of authority who's opinion should be respected, while being clearly and blatantly wrong. Every time you are called out, you childishly try and change the subject instead of addressing the issue, and then you move on to the next thread and continue spewing the exact same nonsense. Even though you have continually proven that you're not worth listening to, I've listened anyway. The problem isn't that I'm not listening to you, it's that you say absolutely absurd things such as this;

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kingjames488:

and it was likely most balanced 30 years ago before they added a bunch of power creep?

which if you even bothered to do the slightest amount of research you'd realize just how ridiculous it is. There were literally turn 0 wins back then. You have no clue what you're talking about, and yet I'm certain that you will continue to assert yourself as some sort of expert. How are you not embarrassed by your own behavior?

He can't be embarrassed! He beat the game even without using the cheese step of the combat phase!

[Gilga ™ |Yonaguni|]

Iam a historic only player and i play only ranked, and yes the power level is insane. But heck i get my wins.

[kingjames488]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kurt Angle's Neck:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kingjames488:

might at least be worth listening...

I have read everything you've posted on here, and since the very beginning you've been making arrogant assertions as if you're some sort of authority who's opinion should be respected, while being clearly and blatantly wrong. Every time you are called out, you childishly try and change the subject instead of addressing the issue, and then you move on to the next thread and continue spewing the exact same nonsense. Even though you have continually proven that you're not worth listening to, I've listened anyway. The problem isn't that I'm not listening to you, it's that you say absolutely absurd things such as this;

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kingjames488:

and it was likely most balanced 30 years ago before they added a bunch of power creep?

which if you even bothered to do the slightest amount of research you'd realize just how ridiculous it is. There were literally turn 0 wins back then. You have no clue what you're talking about, and yet I'm certain that you will continue to assert yourself as some sort of expert. How are you not embarrassed by your own behavior?

what are you on about? you're the one who started off about how I'd only been playing the game for 2 months so my opinions aren't valid >.>

quit being a dingus egg.

p.s. just won another draft, so I guess I'm doing pretty well for only playing the game for 2 months (despite having played probably at least a dozen MTG clones over the years that have all driven themselves into the ground with power creep... but you wouldn't care about that would you?)

[Malvastor]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kingjames488:

p.s. just won another draft, so I guess I'm doing pretty well for only playing the game for 2 months (despite having played probably at least a dozen MTG clones over the years that have all driven themselves into the ground with power creep... but you wouldn't care about that would you?)

If an MTG clone- i.e. a newer game trying to imitate MTG's style- has driven itself into the ground with power creep while MTG itself is still going as strong as or maybe stronger than ever, doesn't that suggest there's something very strong in MTG's approach that the clones haven't hit on yet?

[Kurt Angle's Neck]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kingjames488:

what are you on about? you're the one who started off about how I'd only been playing the game for 2 months so my opinions aren't valid >.>

Uhh, yep, that's pretty much what I'm on about... welcome to the thread?

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kingjames488:

p.s. just won another draft, so I guess I'm doing pretty well for only playing the game for 2 months

Learning a single set well enough to win drafts does not make you knowledgeable on the history of the game and bless you with the authority to speak on how things are now compared to the past.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kingjames488:

despite having played probably at least a dozen MTG clones over the years that have all driven themselves into the ground with power creep... but you wouldn't care about that would you?

Of course I don't care about that... why would I? Completely irrelevant to the conversation, though I suppose that's par for the course when it comes to your replies... is it even possible for you to reply without trying to change the subject or inject some pointless nonsense?