no minimal creature deck

[ice]

I hate creatures for the most part and have mainly used dark cards how can I make a deck without dying immediately to red or green

[Veggente BBT]

Search in the forum for those complaing about overpowered black decks. They probably play green or red.

[GoddessofEternity]

Run discard and lots of low mana kill spells

[Nubbles]

Цитата допису Veggente BBT:

Search in the forum for those complaing about overpowered black decks. They probably play green or red.

Black still relies on some creatures though. But uw or ub control can be without creatures entirely. Does require some rares though.

[ice]

lol why would they be whining about black when white is clearly more overpowered

[GoddessofEternity]

Цитата допису ice:

lol why would they be whining about black when white is clearly more overpowered

Dont ask us, ask them who make 5 of the same posts hating black a week

[Black Mirror]

Цитата допису ice:

lol why would they be whining about black when white is clearly more overpowered

Its not about power level but about how common it is. If you play 14 games in a row vs stupid black discard you sure get sick of it.

[ice]

people who just spam creatures is by far the most typical play move

I hate them and if I do put a creature down I rather be intentional about it

if you have more than 3-5 down I'm bout to just leave the game

[Fox]

Ok I will attempt to help.

I will assume you have access to white and black cards with whatever you are running if you really have creatures and do not want to run them at all no matter what...

1st if you hate creature spam consider the amount of cards in your deck in % that are control cards control being any card that destroys or exiles creatures

2nd board wipes. get them use then make yourself any color of the rainbow to get them if you have to.

3rd consider getting some enchantments or artifacts that put creature tokens on the field if you can tolerate that as its always nice to use them as blockers to stay alive and stall.

4th Planeswalkers get some

you will want at LEAST 30-40% of your deck to be control cards 40% land maybe 5-10% board wipes and 5-10% draw and or search and whatever your win condition is shoved into that mix

if you want to survive in the early game you need those CHEAP removal spells

if you want to survive in the late game you need the value engines of enchantments and artifacts and Planeswalkers give

I would really suggest getting some creatures anyway because they can be very helpful for at the very least being body blockers to help you get to your win condition cards.

anyway hope this helped. if not feel free to TLDR.

[ice]

Цитата допису Fox:

Ok I will attempt to help.

I will assume you have access to white and black cards with whatever you are running if you really have creatures and do not want to run them at all no matter what...

1st if you hate creature spam consider the amount of cards in your deck in % that are control cards control being any card that destroys or exiles creatures

2nd board wipes. get them use then make yourself any color of the rainbow to get them if you have to.

3rd consider getting some enchantments or artifacts that put creature tokens on the field if you can tolerate that as its always nice to use them as blockers to stay alive and stall.

4th Planeswalkers get some

you will want at LEAST 30-40% of your deck to be control cards 40% land maybe 5-10% board wipes and 5-10% draw and or search and whatever your win condition is shoved into that mix

if you want to survive in the early game you need those CHEAP removal spells

if you want to survive in the late game you need the value engines of enchantments and artifacts and Planeswalkers give

I would really suggest getting some creatures anyway because they can be very helpful for at the very least being body blockers to help you get to your win condition cards.

anyway hope this helped. if not feel free to TLDR.

the problem is people throw out so many creatures it blows my mind

red is more tolerable about this, but red also tends to have the ability to smack any few ctreatures I put down if they aren't ultra powerful

green is really just steam rolls black, green is like another white with emphasis on creatures and it just spams either lots of tiny (but powerful) ones or huge ones, green is just relentless about creatures and the options it has, almost no green player I see plays defense/high mana green

with black I have to bide my time so long, usually 5+ turns and every turn I have to be killing at least one if not two creatures just to not get exploded unless I somehow got a huge life lead which usually won't happen

the only way this works if I start with like 2-3 kill cards and keep drawing them

once black puts down a creature in the early game you can't really afford to lose it, even if you can theoretically bring it back, this is usually too little too late

the only way to get around this usually is with whites, which I find the streetwatcher is good for

dual green/black is a powerful counter but I still hate the creature play, as you have to start leaning more into green than black once you do this

[tygrys]

Deck
2 Concealed Courtyard (OTJ) 268
6 Swamp (BLB) 374
4 Recommission (BRO) 22
4 Lifecreed Duo (BLB) 20
4 Ruin-Lurker Bat (LCI) 33
4 Elas il-Kor, Sadistic Pilgrim (DMU) 198
6 Plains (BLB) 370
2 Wispdrinker Vampire (MKM) 243
4 Fabled Passage (BLB) 252
4 Corrupted Conviction (OTJ) 84
2 Resolute Reinforcements (DMU) 29
4 Starscape Cleric (BLB) 116
2 Deep-Cavern Bat (LCI) 102
4 Delney, Streetwise Lookout (MKM) 12
4 Scoured Barrens (NEO) 274
4 Ossification (ONE) 26

[Ha 何豪源]

in magic duels there were (competent) decks without any creatures, and you know whats funny ... theres not a SIGNLE one in magic arena, despite having way more cards.

or can anyone share a deck without any creatures?

[ice]

Цитата допису tygrys:

Deck
2 Concealed Courtyard (OTJ) 268
6 Swamp (BLB) 374
4 Recommission (BRO) 22
4 Lifecreed Duo (BLB) 20
4 Ruin-Lurker Bat (LCI) 33
4 Elas il-Kor, Sadistic Pilgrim (DMU) 198
6 Plains (BLB) 370
2 Wispdrinker Vampire (MKM) 243
4 Fabled Passage (BLB) 252
4 Corrupted Conviction (OTJ) 84
2 Resolute Reinforcements (DMU) 29
4 Starscape Cleric (BLB) 116
2 Deep-Cavern Bat (LCI) 102
4 Delney, Streetwise Lookout (MKM) 12
4 Scoured Barrens (NEO) 274
4 Ossification (ONE) 26

life drain black is precisely what I'm trying to get away from, it's too creature focused and gnenerally just an inferior white

[magnumaniac]

Цитата допису ice:

the problem is people throw out so many creatures it blows my mind...

green is just relentless about creatures and the options it has, almost no green player I see plays defense/high mana green

This must be a troll post.

Of course green pumps out creatures, that is the whole point of it. Why would any green player be defensive?

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the various colours in Magic are designed to work. Over 50% of published cards are creatures, so this may not be the game for you.

[ice]

because it's boring

just because everyone else plays that way doesn't mean everyone is obligated to play that way

why would someone make a topic about how to do something everyone else does? The poitn of the topic is how to counter to spam

so maybe actually contribute or be quiet before talking about what is or isnt trolling

[GoddessofEternity]

Цитата допису ice:

because it's boring

just because everyone else plays that way doesn't mean everyone is obligated to play that way

why would someone make a topic about how to do something everyone else does? The poitn of the topic is how to counter to spam

so maybe actually contribute or be quiet before talking about what is or isnt trolling

Sadly the forums are like this lol