Stupid people with black cards

[Black Mirror]

Like seriously, can I play vs something different than stupid black, or mixed with black discard decks? Just played 4 games, all 4 vs this discard crap, its not even funny anymore.
Get a life, and learn how to play the game isntead of trying to piss of your opponent.
Won 3 out of those 4 so go to hell with your stupid discard decks morons.

[Malvastor]

Publicado originalmente por magnumaniac:

It is mildly annoying, but the OP has stated they are playing RG - so if they are encountering discard as often as they say, just add 4 Obstinate Baloth to the deck and the discard problem becomes an advantage.

Or a Conduit of Worlds so the graveyard is basically just a bigger hand.

[6h0$t942]

Stop dropping 4 10/10's on me by turn 4 and i will consider it O.o

[The_Dybbuk_King]

Publicado originalmente por ChaffyExpert:

Publicado originalmente por Press:

LOL. You're so mad.

Maybe because the game is single handedly ruined by making black discard overly OP for no reason despite being the worst deck archtype.

It's really not.

[BastardfromAsgard]

The mono red players are much worse. Congratulations you have learned to turn to the right. What an achievement

[ChaffyExpert]

Publicado originalmente por The_Dybbuk_King:

Publicado originalmente por ChaffyExpert:

Maybe because the game is single handedly ruined by making black discard overly OP for no reason despite being the worst deck archtype.

It's really not.

It really is, it's the most annoying and most overpowered and works against literally every strategy the opponent has. (except blue counterspells).

Which is why the latter is also hated, there is no real strategy, so there is no real drawback or even decks that counter it, and the entire 'strategy' *lmao i can't even... calling it a strategy* is "don't let the other person play the game"

NOT TO MENTION the absolute worst part is THERE IS NO COUNTERS to it, except for blue counterspells obviously, but 4 out of 5 colors have no real way to counter it,


Basically you can't have mana cost 3+ in your decks, because everyone has 2 mana cost removals.

[Black Mirror]

After rotation there will be around 28 black cards that make you discard either directly on enter or targeting spells creature cards, bloomburrow will add some more I guess. This is madness how cheap most of that is to cast.

[ChaffyExpert]

Publicado originalmente por Black Mirror:

After rotation there will be around 28 black cards that make you discard either directly on enter or targeting spells creature cards, bloomburrow will add some more I guess. This is madness how cheap most of that is to cast.

Not to mention forced sacrifice IE "destroy target creature that ignores Hexproof"

Basically, wotc decided to make all black cards un-counterable for 4 out of 5 colors.

[The_Dybbuk_King]

Publicado originalmente por ChaffyExpert:

Publicado originalmente por The_Dybbuk_King:

It's really not.

It really is, it's the most annoying and most overpowered and works against literally every strategy the opponent has. (except blue counterspells).

Which is why the latter is also hated, there is no real strategy, so there is no real drawback or even decks that counter it, and the entire 'strategy' *lmao i can't even... calling it a strategy* is "don't let the other person play the game"

NOT TO MENTION the absolute worst part is THERE IS NO COUNTERS to it, except for blue counterspells obviously, but 4 out of 5 colors have no real way to counter it,


Basically you can't have mana cost 3+ in your decks, because everyone has 2 mana cost removals.

Play a graveyard deck. I just recently made one with the cards "Recommission" and "Call a Surprise Witness" to recur cards like Tinybones and Adeline. Absolutely obliterates discard effects and field wipes. If you want to be extra spicy, throw in some Serra Paragons.

There is far more than "Counter the spell." My deck is WB, but I can guarantee you get a similar result from Green rather than white. The answers are out there, you just need to play more.

To make myself clear, Discard effects ARE strong. Just like with everything else in the game though, there are ways to play around it.

[ChaffyExpert]

Publicado originalmente por The_Dybbuk_King:

Publicado originalmente por ChaffyExpert:

It really is, it's the most annoying and most overpowered and works against literally every strategy the opponent has. (except blue counterspells).

Which is why the latter is also hated, there is no real strategy, so there is no real drawback or even decks that counter it, and the entire 'strategy' *lmao i can't even... calling it a strategy* is "don't let the other person play the game"

NOT TO MENTION the absolute worst part is THERE IS NO COUNTERS to it, except for blue counterspells obviously, but 4 out of 5 colors have no real way to counter it,


Basically you can't have mana cost 3+ in your decks, because everyone has 2 mana cost removals.

Play a graveyard deck. I just recently made one with the cards "Recommission" and "Call a Surprise Witness" to recur cards like Tinybones and Adeline. Absolutely obliterates discard effects and field wipes. If you want to be extra spicy, throw in some Serra Paragons.

There is far more than "Counter the spell." My deck is WB, but I can guarantee you get a similar result from Green rather than white. The answers are out there, you just need to play more.

To make myself clear, Discard effects ARE strong. Just like with everything else in the game though, there are ways to play around it.

Many of them exile, and they can make you discard graveyard retrieval like Recomission, i know this because i generally have 4 of them in any white deck as well because it's a good card.

Basically, anything that's a real threat can easily be removed, with basically no counter, then they play their Obliterator or that stupid bat god card and win.

I'm not saying you can't still win of course, i'm just saying the actual discard and "look at your hand and exile a card" has virtually no counter for 4/5 colors, which is what's annoying about black, there is no counters to much of their cards, like a 2 mana cost forced sacrifice, it's so cheap along with Go for the Throat and similar cards that it's near impossible to really counter it or protect anything.

[Malvastor]

Publicado originalmente por ChaffyExpert:

Publicado originalmente por Black Mirror:

After rotation there will be around 28 black cards that make you discard either directly on enter or targeting spells creature cards, bloomburrow will add some more I guess. This is madness how cheap most of that is to cast.

Not to mention forced sacrifice IE "destroy target creature that ignores Hexproof"

Basically, wotc decided to make all black cards un-counterable for 4 out of 5 colors.

Forced sacrifice gets around Hexproof because it does not destroy "target" creature. It acts on the player and compels them to destroy a creature. Unless they have only one creature on the board, they're free to choose which.

I'm pretty sure if it says "target player sacrifices" that it can also be blocked by any effect that gives the player hexproof (like Surge of Salvation; love that little instant).

[ChaffyExpert]

Publicado originalmente por Malvastor:

Publicado originalmente por ChaffyExpert:

Not to mention forced sacrifice IE "destroy target creature that ignores Hexproof"

Basically, wotc decided to make all black cards un-counterable for 4 out of 5 colors.

Forced sacrifice gets around Hexproof because it does not destroy "target" creature. It acts on the player and compels them to destroy a creature. Unless they have only one creature on the board, they're free to choose which.

I'm pretty sure if it says "target player sacrifices" that it can also be blocked by any effect that gives the player hexproof (like Surge of Salvation; love that little instant).

Yes i know how it works, but for 2 mana, it's basically Go for the Throat but ignores hexproof and has no real counter to it unless you spam 1-2 mana creatures and tokens.

It locks out any decks that isn't token spam and personally i would love if it was "sacrificed"

You are correct though that hexproof of the player can prevent it, although i don't think many cards it though.

[Malvastor]

Publicado originalmente por ChaffyExpert:

Publicado originalmente por Malvastor:

Forced sacrifice gets around Hexproof because it does not destroy "target" creature. It acts on the player and compels them to destroy a creature. Unless they have only one creature on the board, they're free to choose which.

I'm pretty sure if it says "target player sacrifices" that it can also be blocked by any effect that gives the player hexproof (like Surge of Salvation; love that little instant).

Yes i know how it works, but for 2 mana, it's basically Go for the Throat but ignores hexproof and has no real counter to it unless you spam 1-2 mana creatures and tokens.

I wouldn't call it spamming, but I do try to always have at least a couple cheap creatures I can put out. Even if you're not trying to win through creatures, not having cheap ones to populate the board leaves you vulnerable to anyone who is trying to do a lot of creature damage early on. And it means you have nothing to eat up enemy removal when your important stuff comes out. Or, yes, nothing to take the bullet when the opponent drops a Sheoldred's Edict.

Publicado originalmente por ChaffyExpert:

It locks out any decks that isn't token spam and personally i would love if it was "sacrificed"

It doesn't "lock out" decks that aren't token spam. You just have to be able to continue putting things on the board.

[ChaffyExpert]

Publicado originalmente por Malvastor:

Publicado originalmente por ChaffyExpert:

Yes i know how it works, but for 2 mana, it's basically Go for the Throat but ignores hexproof and has no real counter to it unless you spam 1-2 mana creatures and tokens.

I wouldn't call it spamming, but I do try to always have at least a couple cheap creatures I can put out. Even if you're not trying to win through creatures, not having cheap ones to populate the board leaves you vulnerable to anyone who is trying to do a lot of creature damage early on. And it means you have nothing to eat up enemy removal when your important stuff comes out. Or, yes, nothing to take the bullet when the opponent drops a Sheoldred's Edict.

Publicado originalmente por ChaffyExpert:

It locks out any decks that isn't token spam and personally i would love if it was "sacrificed"

Yes problem is that those cheap creatures take the place of other cards, such as removal, artifact/enchant removal etc.
Not to mention, Go for the Throat and Sheoldred's edict only costs 4 mana total, so even with one strong creature and one weak, they can still wipe the board and you can't do anything about it.

It doesn't "lock out" decks that aren't token spam. You just have to be able to continue putting things on the board.

You can't put things on the board faster than they kill unless you have token spam and cheap creatures + massive card draw because Sheoldred's Edict and Go for the Throat etc. only cost 2 mana.

And Historic has a plethora of sacrifice cards that also only cost 2 mana.

[Malvastor]

Publicado originalmente por ChaffyExpert:

Publicado originalmente por Malvastor:

I wouldn't call it spamming, but I do try to always have at least a couple cheap creatures I can put out. Even if you're not trying to win through creatures, not having cheap ones to populate the board leaves you vulnerable to anyone who is trying to do a lot of creature damage early on. And it means you have nothing to eat up enemy removal when your important stuff comes out. Or, yes, nothing to take the bullet when the opponent drops a Sheoldred's Edict.



Yes problem is that those cheap creatures take the place of other cards, such as removal, artifact/enchant removal etc.
Not to mention, Go for the Throat and Sheoldred's edict only costs 4 mana total, so even with one strong creature and one weak, they can still wipe the board and you can't do anything about it.

It doesn't "lock out" decks that aren't token spam. You just have to be able to continue putting things on the board.

You can't put things on the board faster than they kill unless you have token spam and cheap creatures + massive card draw because Sheoldred's Edict and Go for the Throat etc. only cost 2 mana.

...that's exactly why I include cheap creatures. So I can either A. put things on the board faster than the opponent can remove them or B. build up a board presence of several cheap things and start whittling away while they spend their early turns killing off 2/2s.

Doesn't even necessarily require massive card draw; Palantir of Orthanc usually does just fine. If I have Blue in my deck I also add Tome of Gadwick, so whatever creature survives long enough to do damage gets me a little card draw.

[HelpyHelperton]

Publicado originalmente por black:

whole game is trash.nothing is viable anymore besides removal spam, endless draw card, free big creature spawn or creature rush.

from those 100.000 cards you can rule out 99.900. imagine how broken it is for a card collector game, where owning cards should mean something.

and they keep dumping more and more cards, without any thought about fun or balance. magic is dead, many of my friends stopped playing it, paper and online. your only option in mtga is paid draft but what's the point when the collected stuff is useless.

zero effort game. you can tell by shop items. blurred avatar images and sleeves, any AI generator can do better.

so, basically everything is garbage except jank? Good logic