Did they ever fix the Rigged shuffler?

[WhiskerKing]

I'm curious if they ever fixed it or it still completely ♥♥♥♥♥♥?

[nul]

Serkian a écrit :

no, dont waste ur time in this ♥♥♥♥
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/mtg-arena-announcements-june-3-2024

wait they straight up admitted the matchmaking thing and people on the forums were still trying to deny it/say its only in brawl?

[John-Silver]

Ha 何豪源 a écrit :

fact is that you as new player or bronze CAN match against mythics (on reddit there are enough screenshots) and the game modes here are not based on elo (else i wouldnt care either), but based on win/loses - draft, standard, events etc.

it is rigged, because it happens - tell me another game where this is common

It's be interesting to see how many of these people getting matched with other ranked tiers had reached diamond or mythic before and the screenshots just come from early new seasons where it's using information from the previous season well players get properly placed.

[zeeb]

[magnumaniac]

nul a écrit :

Serkian a écrit :

no, dont waste ur time in this ♥♥♥♥
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/mtg-arena-announcements-june-3-2024

wait they straight up admitted the matchmaking thing and people on the forums were still trying to deny it/say its only in brawl?

Yeah, they admitted it in one of the release notes back in 2018 that they used deck weight values for matchmaking in non-ranked queues.
And no, it is not just in brawl, they also use deck weight based matchmaking in the constructed "Play" queue.
They just made a change (probably in error) that enabled people to establish the commander values that they use in brawl. No conspiracy, no big secret revealed.

[anaris]

The shuffler is not rigged, according to statistical analysis.

[Free Palestine]

Ha 何豪源 a écrit :

its funny that no one critizites that they were hiding a bug / enabled something hidden without sharing it to the public. i really dislike their *********** behavior even more, they only acted because innocent people got attacked for speculating this

"A couple of weeks ago we shipped a bug on MTG Arena that allowed players to reverse engineer some of the logic behind our matchmaking. While there is no security risk in this bug, it did create some conversation on the topic, ..."

so people were speculating that they were rigging the odds even more (as i mentioned above), and everyone who mentioned that were attacked for actually writing the truth afterwards. now they even admitted it and wont back from it, if you keep reading the whole text afterwards. seems they have a bit of a heart left, after seeing innocent people (who wrote the truth) got attacked by their mindless fans from reddit

@chaffyexpert you can sugarcoat their decision (from speedy matchups to make-a-wish for mythic players and their freaks so they wont keep losing nonstop and have an easier time against a new player) however you want. fact is that you as new player or bronze CAN match against mythics (on reddit there are enough screenshots) and the game modes here are not based on elo (else i wouldnt care either), but based on win/loses - draft, standard, events etc.

it is rigged, because it happens - tell me another game where this is common

+1

Well said. Exactly. Ignore the people who think and argue against basic facts everyone knows to be true. They think they're elite, but they're not. They will gainsay anything you say, so block them.

[Free Palestine]

magnumaniac a écrit :

nul a écrit :

wait they straight up admitted the matchmaking thing and people on the forums were still trying to deny it/say its only in brawl?

Yeah, they admitted it in one of the release notes back in 2018 that they used deck weight values for matchmaking in non-ranked queues.
And no, it is not just in brawl, they also use deck weight based matchmaking in the constructed "Play" queue.
They just made a change (probably in error) that enabled people to establish the commander values that they use in brawl. No conspiracy, no big secret revealed.

Correct.

[Kurt Angle's Neck]

There's someone I blocked trying to respond. I have no idea who it is, but if you're reading this, I will never see your comments.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

anaris a écrit :

The shuffler is not rigged, according to statistical analysis.

you know, i've never seen this analysis. does it actually exist?

[John-Silver]

ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ a écrit :

anaris a écrit :

The shuffler is not rigged, according to statistical analysis.

you know, i've never seen this analysis. does it actually exist?

Me + Lose = Rigged

You're welcome, I accept noble prizes by mail at 3.14159... Smarty McMath Street, in any state with a prime number of letters.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

John-Silver a écrit :

ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ a écrit :

you know, i've never seen this analysis. does it actually exist?

Me + Lose = Rigged

You're welcome, I accept noble prizes by mail at 3.14159... Smarty McMath Street, in any state with a prime number of letters.

That's low. You usually make an attempt at honest discussions. I want to look at the study isn't cope. Shame on you

[Kurt Angle's Neck]

ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ a écrit :

you know, i've never seen this analysis. does it actually exist?

This is the one that most people reference: link

[John-Silver]

ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ a écrit :

John-Silver a écrit :

Me + Lose = Rigged

You're welcome, I accept noble prizes by mail at 3.14159... Smarty McMath Street, in any state with a prime number of letters.

That's low. You usually make an attempt at honest discussions. I want to look at the study isn't cope. Shame on you

Sadly it doesn't exist, I'm sorry now I feel like I let ya down. Until we know what happens between the 3 drawn hands during the hand smoothing phase, the only thing that I can offer that would influence draws in a way that might feel "rigged" or "off" would be if it draws all 3 hands, picks the hand than shuffles the deck to play. Without proof that the hand smoothing phase consists of it remembering deck order between hands than reloading said proper deck order after it's decides which hand to keep, things like drawing doubles or triples of what's in your hand become more probable. Again this is just a theory as it's the only thing I could think of that would hamper a properly implemented shuffler.

[John-Silver]

Kurt Angle's Neck a écrit :

ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ a écrit :

you know, i've never seen this analysis. does it actually exist?

This is the one that most people reference: link

I don't understand how people don't see the last update on said study it literally says:

UPDATE 6/17/2020:

Data gathered after this post shows an abrupt change in distribution precisely when War of the Spark was released on Arena, April 25, 2019. After that Arena update, all of the new data that I've looked at closely matches the expected distributions for a correct shuffle. I am working on a web page to display this data in customizable charts and tables. ETA for that is "Soon™". Sorry for the long delay before coming back to this.

So it was determined that this data actually backs up people claiming it's working proper, but it's also 4 years old, the hand smoother has been upgraded from 2 mock hands to 3 since than, the study is outdated for 1 and doesn't prove what people think it does for 2.

[Malvastor]

John-Silver a écrit :

Kurt Angle's Neck a écrit :

This is the one that most people reference: link

I don't understand how people don't see the last update on said study it literally says:

UPDATE 6/17/2020:

Data gathered after this post shows an abrupt change in distribution precisely when War of the Spark was released on Arena, April 25, 2019. After that Arena update, all of the new data that I've looked at closely matches the expected distributions for a correct shuffle. I am working on a web page to display this data in customizable charts and tables. ETA for that is "Soon™". Sorry for the long delay before coming back to this.

So it was determined that this data actually backs up people claiming it's working proper, but it's also 4 years old, the hand smoother has been upgraded from 2 mock hands to 3 since than, the study is outdated for 1 and doesn't prove what people think it does for 2.

In the words of Simon and Garfunkel:

A man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest