Mythical percentage

[Terror Knight]

After achieving the Mythic, doesn't the percentage of the Mythic increase? I'm at 88%, I won about 3 times and it didn't reach 89%. Do you need to win 5 times in a row to increase a percentage or something similar?

[Tom the Mime Artist]

It's not a set amount because it's a comparison to other players. For mythic ranks you have the numbered ranks from 1-2000 and the percentile ranks, showing you the percentile your mmr is of the remaining mythic rank players. So at 88% there are ~11% of mythic players outside the top #2000 with a higher rank than you and it won't change to 89% until there are only 10% of mythic players outside the top #2000 with a higher rank than you. Because it depends on other players ranks as well (and the ranking of the people you win and lose against iirc), it isn't a set number of wins.

Edit: A different article was saying it wasn't the percentile rank but the % of your MMR compared to the lowest numbered mythic rank (#2000), which makes more sense given the numbers you see.

[PyroMail.com]

Going from 88% to 89% is a decrease in rank. If you win you would actually go to 87% and lower. You know, going from the top 88% of players in mythic to the top 87% of players.
Quick maths.
Until you hit a certain number of top players, like Tom said.

[Winter Wolf]

Originally posted by PyroMail.com:

Going from 88% to 89% is a decrease in rank. If you win you would actually go to 87% and lower. You know, going from the top 88% of players in mythic to the top 87% of players.
Quick maths.
Until you hit a certain number of top players, like Tom said.

Unfortunately that is not how it works.

The % number is a percentile. If you are in the 88th percentile you are in the top 12% of the world. 89th? Top 11% of the world, etc.

[Terror Knight]

Originally posted by PyroMail.com:

Going from 88% to 89% is a decrease in rank. If you win you would actually go to 87% and lower. You know, going from the top 88% of players in mythic to the top 87% of players.
Quick maths.
Until you hit a certain number of top players, like Tom said.

This is not true. when I lose I lose a percentage

[Terror Knight]

Originally posted by Tom the Mime Artist:

It's not a set amount because it's a comparison to other players. For mythic ranks you have the numbered ranks from 1-2000 and the percentile ranks, showing you the percentile your mmr is of the remaining mythic rank players. So at 88% there are ~11% of mythic players outside the top #2000 with a higher rank than you and it won't change to 89% until there are only 10% of mythic players outside the top #2000 with a higher rank than you. Because it depends on other players ranks as well (and the ranking of the people you win and lose against iirc), it isn't a set number of wins.

So I need to get more wins and fewer losses from those in the 89%

[DontMisunderstand]

Originally posted by Winter Wolf:

Originally posted by PyroMail.com:

Going from 88% to 89% is a decrease in rank. If you win you would actually go to 87% and lower. You know, going from the top 88% of players in mythic to the top 87% of players.
Quick maths.
Until you hit a certain number of top players, like Tom said.

Unfortunately that is not how it works.

The % number is a percentile. If you are in the 88th percentile you are in the top 12% of the world. 89th? Top 11% of the world, etc.

Every time I've gotten to mythic, 88% is where I started at. Do you know how that works? Is it just the default landing zone?

[Winter Wolf]

Originally posted by DontMisunderstand:

Originally posted by Winter Wolf:

Unfortunately that is not how it works.

The % number is a percentile. If you are in the 88th percentile you are in the top 12% of the world. 89th? Top 11% of the world, etc.

Every time I've gotten to mythic, 88% is where I started at. Do you know how that works? Is it just the default landing zone?

Ive started as high as 95% but typically I think most start in the high 80s. It's been a while since I've ranked though. Typically I just play a few games a day.

[PyroMail.com]

Hmm, really? I'm not the smartest when it comes to math but shouldn't the number go down if you rank up? Going from the top 88 to the top 87%? Because that amount is obviously lower in regards of total players compared to 88. Curious. Ok, if it works that way.

Lesson learned!

[DontMisunderstand]

Originally posted by Winter Wolf:

Originally posted by DontMisunderstand:

Every time I've gotten to mythic, 88% is where I started at. Do you know how that works? Is it just the default landing zone?

Ive started as high as 95% but typically I think most start in the high 80s. It's been a while since I've ranked though. Typically I just play a few games a day.

I see. So it is actually calculating how well players are doing. Though this also directly states that something like 90% of players in the mythic rank have worse decks and worse skills than the players in the diamond rank. Anecdotally, my experiences do match this... as far as I can tell, Platinum ranks have by far the highest deck quality and skill among the players, with diamond being a small step backward, and mythic generally being a really sad and lame place that's not fun to play because the people there suck at the game.

[Andrei]

I don't think the mythic percentage counts exclusively players which are in mythic. I think it counts everyone who's played a ranked game in that season from bronze to mythic. But i don't know HOW exactly it counts everyone. I guess it's a combination of quantity and quality, number of games played and win percentage or some Elo rating.

[DontMisunderstand]

Originally posted by Andrei:

I don't think the mythic percentage counts exclusively players which are in mythic. I think it counts everyone who's played a ranked game in that season from bronze to mythic. But i don't know HOW exactly it counts everyone. I guess it's a combination of quantity and quality, number of games played and win percentage or some Elo rating.

That all makes sense. Definitely possible. But honestly if it counted all players, I'd imagine the percentage would be significantly higher by default. Getting to mythic is a long and annoying grind that has very little to do with how good you are, just how much time you can and are willing to waste on this game. The playerbase is measured in the millions of active daily players, and there's just no way there are hundreds of thousands of them willing and skilled enough to no-life their way to mythic. Like... if a season is 1 month long, going from mythic's starting point to mythic again, for the 4 wins per day club (the saner side of the no-life spectrum, it's only 30-90 minutes per day to get that) requires something like a 70% winrate. From that perspective, it seems unlikely to me that it's counting all players in the mythic percentage, though it does seem like they are keeping track for each player so they can slot them into the rankings once they get there. It also makes sense that players who grind for mythic earlier would be ranked lower than players who just get there over a longer period of time; technically any winrate above 50% can make it to mythic, but the lower the winrate the larger the number of games played needs to be to get there. Sure, 120 games requires a 70% winrate to get there, but if you play 500 games instead you can make it with a 54.8% winrate. So obviously the people who get there earlier in the season will have a lower ranking, they're grinding numbers of attempts to reduce the threshold needed to make it.

[Bizeboy]

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